Support the French Rioters!
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Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
stoned? oh deary me. Thats worse than leninism.Look i'm not challenging you on it i'm asking you to be fairer to Danrednblack said:that's not vanguardist necerssarily
i'll come back on the rest when i'm less stoned
Isambard are you pissed?
My excuse is i went to bed, couldn't sleep and have come back online. But i have to ask myself: if urban weren't her - would i be asleep by now?
charlie mowbray
The Enforcer
Dan Jakopovich said:What exactly are you saying?rednblack said:yes...but since you've already shown yourself to be an anti working class fuckwit who believes in vanguardism that post is no surpriseQUOTE]
How did I show that? (fuck, and I hoped no one would notice)
Taxamo Welf, I drink in your honour!
We'll be asking you to explain yourself about this and about everything else you've said on various boardsat a London AF meeting, should you happen to turn up.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
If the rioting continues, and the French army is sent in, I've no doubt that people will be shot, and that those arrested will be tortured and banged up for lengthy sentences. I think that a picket of the French embassy is a very good way to show that the eyes of the world are on France.
Remember what happened to an earlier generation of Algerian protestors during the 1950/60s in France? Beaten, tortured and disappeared. A peaceful protest is one way we can try to stop the French state doing this again.
Remember what happened to an earlier generation of Algerian protestors during the 1950/60s in France? Beaten, tortured and disappeared. A peaceful protest is one way we can try to stop the French state doing this again.
Random said:
In that instance an unknown number of people were killed, many of the bodies simply thrown in the Seine.
For some background, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961
chegrimandi
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maya said:
because they are protesting against the shite conditions they are forced to live in - they are protesting against poverty and discrimination and years of crap immigration policy.
Abuse from ministers in the press, foced to live in poverty stricken conditions, police hounding their kids to death.....thats why they should be supported.
revol68
what, fucking what?
i think it'd probably wiser if we stood back and attempted to analysise the nature of the riots, the contradictary trends, areas that point towards something more constructive, reactionary elements.
Basically instead of throwing your support behind a huge heterogenous phenomeon or at the other end of the spectrum comdemning it cos of some of the more unsavoury behaviour, we should be looking to see what we can learn, what they can teach us.
Basically instead of throwing your support behind a huge heterogenous phenomeon or at the other end of the spectrum comdemning it cos of some of the more unsavoury behaviour, we should be looking to see what we can learn, what they can teach us.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
my feelings.revol68 said:
Random said:Wikipedia says '32 and 200 demonstrators died. With almost no media coverage at the time'
Seems the media knew fine well what was going on but colluded in the cover up. And it's only in the last few years that there's been any official acknowledgement that it even happened.
[Just read link so thought I'd add this...]
Seem to recall when they finally put up the plaque commemorating this, there was flack from all sides -- didn't go far enough/went too far and the police should not be criticised being the two main opposing views. And also seem to remember within a matter of days, FN/racist graffiti had been sprayed on it.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
JHE said:
Me? Serious? nahhh!
montevideo
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rednblack said:yes...but since you've already shown yourself to be an anti working class fuckwit who believes in vanguardism that post is no surprise
nasty scary poor people causing trouble !!!11
you've definitely made up my mind. I'm joinging hsg!
From a class perspective are these not disaffected working class youth who are rioting? Who decides their actions satisfactory & their worth politically? A bunch of message board politicos with loads of of anaylsis to offer, & only forthcoming with their solidarity when they can safely assume some 'good' in all this?
May the ghost of lucy parsons shiver in contempt.
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
montevideo said:
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
i already have....rednblack said:i'm nicking that pic
RnB does Monty post sum up how you feel on the issue then?
revol68
what, fucking what?
montevideo said:
okay you daft fuck you do realise that we've had working class youth rioting for fucking decades in Northern Ireland, more often than not it's been of a reactionary nature, but it all has got at it's base disaffection, alienation and a degree of righteous anger, even if directed poorly.
I'm glad to see that in France it hasn't been racist but it has involved a great deal of reactionary behaviour that does nothing for the working class, it has also involved alot of actions I have no problem supporting.
Just because working class people are rioting doesn't mean it isn't mostly other working class people suffering.
I mean it is groups of mainly young men who are involved in the violence, burning down a nursery doesn't really affect them but it does effect a single mother.
Class War are a fucking joke!
Taxamo Welf said:
actually i think revols point was good, some bad things have happened in the riots- no doubt all sorts of people who are simply anti social cunts are involved - but random's point is valid as well, i'll be going along to the french embassy to show my solidarity with working class people who are showing that they are not going to take shit laying down
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
rednblack said:
Taxamo Welf
kebagels pls
Yes thats how i feel.
But heres the clincher: are you going to an event called 'support the french rioters' and happily stand under than banner?*
*TBH unless the wombles go i doubt there will be a banner but.
But heres the clincher: are you going to an event called 'support the french rioters' and happily stand under than banner?*
*TBH unless the wombles go i doubt there will be a banner but.
Pretty much agree with r'n'b and montevideo here, I wouldn't say that I uncritically support every action taken by individual rioters, but I do sympathise with the rioters on the whole.
Unfortunately, the French embassy is a bit of a walk from my house, so I'll have to give it a miss.
Unfortunately, the French embassy is a bit of a walk from my house, so I'll have to give it a miss.
revol68
what, fucking what?
the embassy protest sounds like the stupidest waste of fucking time since Robbie Savage.
What will it actually achieve?
As if rioting in over 300 towns and cities needs a handful of gobshites standing about in a week london afternoon under a ridiculous banner to the effect of support French Rioters.
Infact i'm sure a great deal of the rioters would not give such blanket solidarity to fellow rioters.
But hey go ahead it's not like anarchism has got a iota of dignity left.
What will it actually achieve?
As if rioting in over 300 towns and cities needs a handful of gobshites standing about in a week london afternoon under a ridiculous banner to the effect of support French Rioters.
Infact i'm sure a great deal of the rioters would not give such blanket solidarity to fellow rioters.
But hey go ahead it's not like anarchism has got a iota of dignity left.
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