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Support the French Rioters!

Pickman's model said:
better than being one, eh, fanta?

Well you would know! :D :D But chin up, maybe* one day you'll only sound like one rather than actually being one.
























*Note that word 'maybe' :eek:
 
knopf said:
Surely the core question is, is this rioting an instance of the working class in struggle in France?

well according to the Class War hypothesis that if working class people happen to be involved in it it definately is, then yes it is.

Of course the Class War hypothesis magically overlooks the fact that working class people eat italian breads, drink wine and ride the 73 bus.
 
ClassWar said:
Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same.

Anyone trying burn my car is liable to get beaten to death with a crowbar.
I suggest your analysis of the problems in France is very flawed.
 
revol68 said:
Of course the Class War hypothesis magically overlooks the fact that working class people eat italian breads, drink wine and ride the 73 bus.
the last time i was on a 73, i saw no one eating italian bread or drinking wine. and it only ran from stokey to victoria.
 
no i think what the UK really needs is a bunch of gobshites pretending they suffer the same marginalisation and discrimination as the youth in French suburbs smashing up their neighbours cars and trying to set the local corner shop alight.
 
revol68 said:
no i think what the UK really needs is a bunch of gobshites pretending they suffer the same marginalisation and discrimination as the youth in French suburbs smashing up their neighbours cars and trying to set the local corner shop alight.
so who are you going to get to join you?
 
knopf said:
Surely the core question is, is this rioting an instance of the working class in struggle in France?

an ignorant Brit asks...

Isn't this the non-working have-nots in struggle against the working haves?

if what we're led to believe is halfway accurate, a lot of European economies, including France and Germany, are discovering that high social wages equates to high unemployment. The working classes want to hang onto that social protection: from here this looks like the excluded demanding a slice of the action.
 
revol68 said:
Of course the Class War hypothesis magically overlooks the fact that working class people eat italian breads, drink wine and ride the 73 bus.
You mean its not all meat pies and beer? perhaps you should stop using middle class like its an alternative word for 'twat' on these boards then.


(yes i know your point was to highlight that not everything people do is neccessarily part of their struggle, but i thought i'd take the opportunity to make my point :))
 
Pickman's model said:
i didn't know you had a car - i thought you were a biker through & through. :(


Strictly speaking I don't own a car or any motorcycles, all of them are in my wifes name. In the winter here on the Lizard there are time when going out on a motorcycle would be tantamount to suicide.
Anyhow back to the thread exactly who are these idiots inciting people into criminal behaviour by copycating French rioters?
 
tobyjug said:
Anyhow back to the thread exactly who are these idiots inciting people into criminal behaviour by copycating French rioters?

please provide evidence for your allegations of incitement
 
rednblack said:
please provide evidence for your allegations of incitement


From the first message in this thread:- "Over 300 French towns and cities have now seen riots against the police and the government. More will follow.

Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same."


Incitement to riot is a criminal offence.
 
Oh god this thread is embarrassing.

I'd expect it from "any and all methods" montevideo, but I know rednblack and ClassWar don't assume that everything a stereotypical "working class" person does isn't good.

While the concerns are legitimate - lots of the rioters are burning their fellow workers' cars, destroying public resources and attacking their fellow workers. You can't give that "unconditional" support, and you can't present the whole thing as "class war" on the streets. It's fucking ridiculous.

Around 1,000 kids from the banlieus attacked a demonstration of working class students for education reform, beating and mugging hundreds of them - is this "class war" as well?

Like revol68 pointed out with northern ireland - people fighting the police isn't good in itself ffs.
 
tobyjug said:
From the first message in this thread:- "Over 300 French towns and cities have now seen riots against the police and the government. More will follow.

Youth in cities as far as Brussels and Berlin have shown their support - it is time we did the same."


Incitement to riot is a criminal offence.

Eh?
 
icepick said:
While the concerns are legitimate - lots of the rioters are burning their fellow workers' cars, destroying public resources and attacking their fellow workers. You can't give that "unconditional" support, and you can't present the whole thing as "class war" on the streets. It's fucking ridiculous.

Are the rioters really 'fellow workers'? That's not the impression I've gained.
 
newbie said:
Are the rioters really 'fellow workers'? That's not the impression I've gained.


The whole point is the rioters can't get any work. (60% unemployment where the riots started)
 
newbie said:
Are the rioters really 'fellow workers'? That's not the impression I've gained.
I'm using the socialist/anarchist definition: worker meaning working class - has to sell their labour power, doesn't live off property income.
 
Paul Marsh said:
What is that supposed to mean?
I didn't think you were that into banners...?
And the Wombles make excellent banners?

ok:)

Blimey, of all the things said about your organisation on this thread, to pick up on that.
 
icepick said:
I'm using the socialist/anarchist definition: worker meaning working class - has to sell their labour power, doesn't live off property income.
Really? I thought that was the classical marxist view and things had gone beyond that. That would make teachers working class. Are they?

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chegrimandi said:
because they are protesting against the shite conditions they are forced to live in - they are protesting against poverty and discrimination and years of crap immigration policy.

Abuse from ministers in the press, foced to live in poverty stricken conditions, police hounding their kids to death.....thats why they should be supported.
yeah i totally support their case,
but not the methods they choose to show that anger with...
 
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