beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Reduce the limit for a ban to 6 points, make said ban permanent with no prospect of a retest. Speeding problem solved for the vast majority of cases.
Speeding and general dangerous driving in and around Brixton
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SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Wilful speeding is no different from drink driving to me and people breaking either law should a receive a kick in the balls of equal strength; but, unfortunately, wilful speeding is more socially acceptable.
SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Then we must fight through the "us and them" dramas of U75 until it's resolved 
To be honest actually enforcing the ban at 12 points would probably work too.
Eg Thousands drive with 12 or more points
How has someone got 51 points and is still on the road ?
Alex
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There's any number of things that could be done. Stricter points systems. Speed cameras. Speed recorders or limiters in cars. 20mph made the default limit in built up areas nationwide. Plus all the broader transport and planning policy stuff.
But such things are seen as infringements on the freedom of the motorist. I'm completely serious when I point out the parallels with the guns debate in the US.
But such things are seen as infringements on the freedom of the motorist. I'm completely serious when I point out the parallels with the guns debate in the US.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Once driverless vehicles are in use, this type of behaviour won't in theory be possible
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Unfortunately I think it's going to be a long, long time before people can be persuaded that driverless technology means that we can remove human drivers from the roads. However good the driverless technology is. I reckon things will only change once you have a generation that doesn't need to get driving licences grow up. Would be very pleased to be proved wrong though.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I think the solution is to put barriers along the edge of the footpaths, and designated, traffic light controlled crossing areas for pedestrians, and any pedestrian caught crossing a road anywhere but a designated crossing point should have their legs amputated.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Or, a slightly better idea, fuck that.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
But imagine how many lives would be saved every year if pedestrians weren't allowed to run into the road in front of cars!
mojo pixy
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Till about 10 years ago Brixton had barriers between road and pavement all over the place.
There's probably a good reason they were removed but I can't say I know what it is.
Also don't know what effect their removal had on accident stats; don't really care either, imo its up to drivers to avoid pedestrians and not the other way around.
There's probably a good reason they were removed but I can't say I know what it is.
Also don't know what effect their removal had on accident stats; don't really care either, imo its up to drivers to avoid pedestrians and not the other way around.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
They were removed to make it easier for crazed religious people to plough vans into pedestrians.
And you're wrong.
Yes, no insurer in their right mind would write a policy where a law breaking computer was a possibility.
I can see human driver insurance policies rising a lot once even a small percentage of cars are completely autonomous.
The evidence that all the cameras and sensors on self driving cars will provide will be ridiculously detailed. You make a claim with an autonomous car involved and your insurer will see that in the 6 seconds before hand you were speeding and performing a dangerous manoeuvre ( or whatever ) unless you are whiter than white your insurer will refuse to insure you.
“Yes mr Jones we will continue to insure you, your policy will now cost 28k per year”
Alex
mojo pixy
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In my world, faster-moving things are supposed to avoid slower moving things (or slow right down to mix in with the slower-moving things). The opposite is dangerous and confusing.
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Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
In my world, people should accept responsibility for their own well-being. Transferring that responsibility onto someone who has no control over your actions is dangerous and confusing.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
They were removed as part of a general re-design to make it more pedestrian friendly and I think it was the right move.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Ignore them, they are just here on a wind-up.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
They certainly have similarities.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Do you extend that same logic to people walking on train tracks?
You're the one on a wind-up. If you're not, then the hand-wringing you're doing about car drivers is scary.
bimble
floofy
Has all of this bad driving & bad pedestrianing gotten worse in recent years ? I wouldn’t know about the cars but seems as if general self-absorbed fuckwittery in public space has definitely increased, people oblivious to others around them and just thinking only about themselves / their phones. Or does this belong in the 'things that make you realise you're old' thread.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
People walking around with their heads buried in their phones. These are the people who walk out in front of cars and blame the driver when they get hit. This thread seems to be teaming with those people
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I listened to program recently on this. Driverless vehicles in cities are some time in future. On motorways it will come sooner. Driverless vehicles are being tested. Ur right in built up areas they will have to work on basis that pedestrians share road space.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Then we must fight through the "us and them" dramas of U75 until it's resolved
Just go away you troll.
mojo pixy
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Amazingly, it turns out trains go more slowly through stations for the same reason as 20mph zones exist on roads, ie proximity of moving vehicles to unarmoured bystanders. And like car drivers, train drivers are able to slow and stop if they see someone or something on the tracks ahead. Whodathunkit etc.
I would add that railways are normally fenced off and signposted with stuff like, Danger No Trespassing on the Railway .. which may give a broad idea as to whether they're suitable places for people to walk. On the other hand last time I checked, roads weren't separated from sidewalks. This may give the impression that it's perfectly legal to walk on roads.
Whodathunkit etc x2
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