It would be good if politics WERE left to clever people, unfortunately at the moment they're entirely ran by well educated people (note that well educated does not equal "clever" . Clever people don't sign the country up to PFI schemes at 50percent interest)
should thick people be allowed to vote?
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It would be good if politics WERE left to clever people, unfortunately at the moment they're entirely ran by well educated people (note that well educated does not equal "clever" . Clever people don't sign the country up to PFI schemes at 50percent interest)
I can, and I have. It was futile
But generally, I'd say people holding other members of the class they identify with in contempt are probably backing a loser politically
There are loads of good working class people who are sussed, all hail the miners, Liverpool dockers, anyone who is clued up and doesn't believe the shit they read in the tabloids.
but there are also charvers, fascists, scabs, Tories, etc etc..... I do not hate working class people cos i would have to hate myself!
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They do if they wish to become non-exective directors of the companies concerned when they leave power. Quite clever, that.
Aye good point.
You're an idiot.
only thick people do vote full stop
Which part of that statement makes me an idiot then?
It's more a cumulative thing.
History has probably proved that right i guess, 20+ years of WANKERS.
damn i was hoping you'd tell me which of those ya were-
scab, fascist, Tory, etc etc
or whether you were against liverpool dockers, miners, people with suss etc
Nice non committal answer. Fancy joining New Labour? Mandelson would be proud
No, Trev, I campaigned for the dockers, miners, and lots of other stuff. I'm not a scab, a fascist, a Tory or an etc etc.
But you're STILL an idiot. You make Rik from the Young Ones look credible.
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
I think that people with a superiority complex should not be allowed to vote.
So someone on the same side as you is an idiot? Forget New Labour, why not start your own small leftist party who attacks other small leftist parties?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
I guess it's something a lot of lefty types go through at some stage or another. It's one of the stages on the path, like anger, denial, exasperation, and marching. One day you look around you and wonder why the very people who stand to benefit from socialism appear to swallow all the lies and bullshit. Oh! the ironing. Time after time blokes in the pub chase you out following a table thumping argument where they threaten to put in hospital for bad mouthing Queen Mags; no matter how many times you explain it they still persist in calling Tony Blair a socialist when bitching about the state; and of course the bizarre addiction to the tabloid press.
Then you realise! OMG, I hate them. They're thick, idiotic plebs, who don't deserve even the smattering of democracy they're allowed.
But do not let that turn you towards bitterness, young padawan. That way lies the dark side. Once you have written them off, you've really written off the working classes. Now, even if that doesn't make you say fuck it and becoming a boss, it will lead you to acting on their behalf. Because you know better than them. They need protecting from themselves. And once you think like that, well, the next stop is New Labour, and we all know how that turns out.
Then you realise! OMG, I hate them. They're thick, idiotic plebs, who don't deserve even the smattering of democracy they're allowed.
But do not let that turn you towards bitterness, young padawan. That way lies the dark side. Once you have written them off, you've really written off the working classes. Now, even if that doesn't make you say fuck it and becoming a boss, it will lead you to acting on their behalf. Because you know better than them. They need protecting from themselves. And once you think like that, well, the next stop is New Labour, and we all know how that turns out.
Oh, the irony
DO you get your politics off the back of Cocksparrer albums?
What, like shagging birds and drinking etc? At least they have a more sensible approach to welfare than the current govt (see the song "Working")
I shan't bother, thanks all the same 
Thing is, trev, if you're going to fight for the liberation from oppression of the working classes, you don't get to decide which ones, you know.
It's like saying, I'm against vivisection, apart from on frogs - horrible, slimy little things
Thing is, trev, if you're going to fight for the liberation from oppression of the working classes, you don't get to decide which ones, you know.
It's like saying, I'm against vivisection, apart from on frogs - horrible, slimy little things
Now try telling El Jefe that...
I shan't bother, thanks all the same
Thing is, trev, if you're going to fight for the liberation from oppression of the working classes, you don't get to decide which ones, you know.
It's like saying, I'm against vivisection, apart from on frogs - horrible, slimy little things
The thing is even the ignorant parts of the working class would feel better off under a progressive govt - they just can't bring themselves to acknowledge it because the Sun has told them that lefties are evil , the queen is wonderful , dolies are all scrounging charvers directly robbing their wage packets etc, and ID cards are marvellous
Let's see:
see, trev, some of those people working their fingers to the bone have decided, for one reason or another, to vote Tory. Might be selfishness, might be an inability to see Thatcherite lies for what they were, might be a genuine belief that it's the best thing for them and their family, might be cos their parents did, might be for any number of reasons.
They're still working class, and they're still oppressed. Rather than trying to challenge their ideas, to try and overthrow false consciousness and the like, you're just going to treat them with contempt.
How terribly forward thinking, 'brother'.
I think you may have missed at least SOME of bluey's point
Trev:
my late father was a lovely bloke, couldn't do enough for you, good heart, kind and sincere. He did some shitty jobs (just before he died he worked cash in hand in a fast food restaurant), but he read the Daily Express and he voted Tory. He wasn't very political at all, it just seemed to make sense to him. I'd try and argue with him, but it didn't go well.
So let's try two different approaches to resolving this: one would be to explain why he's wrong, and gain his understanding and support.
The other would be to consider him contemptible, the lowest of the low.
One of those approaches might fail and would certainly be a long struggle, but is the class conscious thing to do. Born of genuine understanding of the class struggle and a genuine concern for those who've fallen for the lies of capitalism.
The other is the teenage temper tantrum of a cartoon ciderpunk with the compassion of a pomegranite.
I'll let you riddle your way through that one.
my late father was a lovely bloke, couldn't do enough for you, good heart, kind and sincere. He did some shitty jobs (just before he died he worked cash in hand in a fast food restaurant), but he read the Daily Express and he voted Tory. He wasn't very political at all, it just seemed to make sense to him. I'd try and argue with him, but it didn't go well.
So let's try two different approaches to resolving this: one would be to explain why he's wrong, and gain his understanding and support.
The other would be to consider him contemptible, the lowest of the low.
One of those approaches might fail and would certainly be a long struggle, but is the class conscious thing to do. Born of genuine understanding of the class struggle and a genuine concern for those who've fallen for the lies of capitalism.
The other is the teenage temper tantrum of a cartoon ciderpunk with the compassion of a pomegranite.
I'll let you riddle your way through that one.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes you should trev.
There's actually another song on there that tells you everything you need to know about the country, got a bit mixed up there
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Is that an under-ripe one?
Did you know that all pomegranites have exactly the same amount of seeds!!
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