TBF, the same argument was advanced against the foxhunting ban. How much of what was prophesised actually came to pass? (I genuinely don't know.)
Should there be a ban on private ownership of firearms in England and Wales - With Poll.
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Shooting is an Olympic sport and there are various disciplines within. Any talk of it being banned is a waste of time.
When the dust settles they need to find out whether the system has not worked because someone or some organization failed or whether there is a problem with existing laws, rules and regulation. Only when this is known can appropriate action be taken.
When the dust settles they need to find out whether the system has not worked because someone or some organization failed or whether there is a problem with existing laws, rules and regulation. Only when this is known can appropriate action be taken.
David Clapson
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There are so few gun deaths and so many knife deaths. If legally-held guns are banned, people like the Plymouth murderer will use knives. Islamist terrorists have already advertised how suitable they are. Then what?
souljacker
innit
Not necessarily. British Olympic pistol shooters have to go to the Isle of Man or Jersey to practice because the UK banned all pistols after Dunblaine.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
This is what the NRA say about gun control in the USA, though.
it’s just not that simple. The number of spree killings with a knife is tiny. Most knife crime is one-to-one and either used in street robbery, or murder of someone known to the attacker. It’s bad, but it’s not what the awfulness here is about. If he’d just shot his mum, I doubt these gun control discussions would be widespread.
There’s also the question - which is ultimately unknowable - as to whether this inadequate twat would have had the nerve to put a blade through a three year old girl, among others, and equally whether someone / ones could have subdued him - as has been done with a couple of the Islamist attackers.
Finally, it is actually possible to restrict access to firearms much more stringently than for knives. Although it’s far from a free-for-all on bladed weapons, every household and workplace in the country needs knives and sharp scissors. There’s no such widespread or quotidian need for firearms.
David Clapson
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Well, the number of spree killings in the UK is tiny, full stop. Most of them don't involve guns. Then there's family murders, which aren't classed as sprees but sometimes have as many deaths as a spree. Most of them don't involve guns. Making access to legally held guns might save one or two lives a decade, if that.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
And yet we did it with handguns after sun lane, despite very similar arguments, and are proud of this when compared to other countries with escalating gun violence.
_Russ_
Never not Knowingly Misunderstood
Fair enough, happy to be told how useful a shotgun is at pest control compared to traps and various poisons, I have some experience but Im sure there a people here with more
souljacker
innit
One of the main uses for .22 rifles on my families farm is to deal with old deer that can be a nuisance to the herd and damage crops and forested areas. Whether people like it or not, an old stag can be problematic for a herd so are usually hunted and killed. You can't do that with poisons and traps.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Do you shoot deer with a .22
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not so at all. And why single out "spree killings". The number of Spree killings with legally owned shotguns is even smaller.
Recent knife murders: Lee Rigby, Steven Timms, Lapshyn, Jo Cox, Westminster, London Bridge, Finsbury Park, Reading, and countless other incidents pretty much every weekend which may or may not have fatal outcomes.
Blades are a massively bigger problem than guns in this country. You're just employing a set of arbitrary rules to suit your position. That's ok if you want to go that way but it's not a logical position.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah that's illegal in the UK afaik. Maybe they're not in the UK, or they've got the calibre wrong.
souljacker
innit
Yeah, sorry, I'm wrong on that. Not sure what they would use but definitely a hunting rifle and not a shotgun or poison/traps. I'm getting calibres mixed up with what they shoot for targets and what they use for pest control.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
One would hope not.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
.222 perhaps.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
The biggest number of deaths in the UK in recent times has not been caused by either guns or knives, but by explosives.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The Blitz probably has something to do with that?
Sasaferrato
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
So, for you, anything since 1850.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Depends on the type of deer. A .22-250 is fine and legal for plenty of them.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I fired a number of weapons on a range in Lativa.
The shotgun option was a Remington shotgun.
The auto pistol option was a Glock.
Revolver was a 44 magnum.
There was an AK47 fixed on single shot. I forget what else.
The Glock was easy to hit the target with but the Remington made it child’s play.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Check your law unless you are shooting miniature Rudolph’s I believe it’s 0.24 or above
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Typically it descends into a thread of men arguing about guns 
Of course it does.Typically it descends into a thread of men arguing about guns
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Yeah, it's fucking terrible arguing about guns on a thread set up to argue about gunsTypically it descends into a thread of men arguing about guns
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Hardly anyone gets killed with guns in this country, so we should let everyone have them.
Or, and stop me if making a massive leap here, maybe hardly anyone gets killed with guns in this country because guns are very strictly controlled.
I don't actually believe anyone here is dense enough to not get that, or the fact that it's a lot easier to kill people with guns than with knives. I do think this is a pretty poor choice of topic on which to do the 'being wilfully disingenuous for attention' thing some people around here are so fond of.
Or, and stop me if making a massive leap here, maybe hardly anyone gets killed with guns in this country because guns are very strictly controlled.
I don't actually believe anyone here is dense enough to not get that, or the fact that it's a lot easier to kill people with guns than with knives. I do think this is a pretty poor choice of topic on which to do the 'being wilfully disingenuous for attention' thing some people around here are so fond of.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I don't think anybody has suggested letting everyone have guns.
Also, how many shooting sprees were there before the ban on handguns?
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