Should the rest of us subsidise South West of England's water bills?

[toggle]

It won't happen because they threaten to pull out. Fuck knows why the council don't just let them.

Toggle, it's not just about locals wanting facilities. It's actually quite a lot to do with people moving down, realising there isn't a Sainsburies 3 minutes from their house and moaning like fuck.

there will be in a few years.

 

[cesare]

Yes, I know. Some friends of mine had studios in there. It's not used for much now. I worked in there for a couple of years when Golowan had it but now I think it's just a cafe. Not even sure that's still open.

The café and ice-cream parlour were still open a couple of years ago, dunno about now. But Iwas thinking along the lines of using/re-using existing space, rather than creating a passenger terminal.

 

[madzone]

I can't think of where you mean. The only Mounts Bay caravan park on google is in Marazion and that tallies with the Mounts Bay caravan park that I know of.

 

[madzone]

That's a problem everywhere remotely "attractive", unfortunately.

Who's saying it isn't?

 

[cesare]

It won't happen because they threaten to pull out. Fuck knows why the council don't just let them.

Toggle, it's not just about locals wanting facilities. It's actually quite a lot to do with people moving down, realising there isn't a Sainsburies 3 minutes from their house and moaning like fuck.

The council should just call their bluff. Pay the tax or GTFO.

 

[madzone]

The café and ice-cream parlour were still open a couple of years ago, dunno about now. But Iwas thinking along the lines of using/re-using existing space, rather than creating a passenger terminal.

The ice cream shop is still there. I don't know about the cafe. The woman who had it got cancer and was really ill. Maybe someone else has taken it over. I'll have a look next time I pass that way. They can't use the barbican as a passenger terminal, it's not suitable

 

[ViolentPanda]

IMO, it is specifically the people who own homes solely for their own 2 weeks of the year holidays that is the biggest problem. Some of the others are a problem, but not as much. If the thing was let the rest of the season, taxed as a buisness and brought money into the community, then it might be less of a problem, but there are villages dying because they were pretty enough to attract this kind of house ownership.

Generally, the same villages that, when they try to expand via new-build social housing, so that the community doesn't die, find planning objections thrown up by the same people who only spend a couple of weeks a year there.

 

[cesare]

I can't think of where you mean. The only Mounts Bay caravan park on google is in Marazion and that tallies with the Mounts Bay caravan park that I know of.

fractionMan's an ex-local, he knows where I mean. Maybe he can explain better.

 

[madzone]

The council should just call their bluff. Pay the tax or GTFO.

That's what I'd do. Somehow the council seem to just roll over and let them do what they want though.

 

[Idaho]

Where is anyone saying that this issue is unique to Cornwall? All toggle and I were trying to do was make sense of what butchers was saying because we didn't recognise it.

Why do you all persist in dragging threads off course like this? It's so fucking dull.

One or two posts taking the piss out of you doesn't amount to dragging a thread off course

 

[cesare]

The ice cream shop is still there. I don't know about the cafe. The woman who had it got cancer and was really ill. Maybe someone else has taken it over. I'll have a look next time I pass that way. They can't use the barbican as a passenger terminal, it's not suitable

It's not suitable as a passenger terminal, but it's still suitable for craftspeople, artists etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing, now we want to tax big businesses

 

[ViolentPanda]

Who's saying it isn't?

No-one, you argumentative strumpet!

 

[toggle]

That's what I'd do. Somehow the council seem to just roll over and let them do what they want though.

I think the idea is probably that any investment in to the county is better than no investment. it is terribly counter-productive though, then that investment attacks local buisnesses and syphons money out of the county

 

[fractionMan]

Whoa, not an ex-local!

Me mum lives around the corner though and I'm down there a fair bit.

The beach bit I'm thinking of has an unsignposted carpark across a level crossing. The bit behind has a massive tescos at one end and a morrisons about 500m down the road. I think the massive sainsburys will be in between the two. Which will be great cos there's a lidl and co-op less than a mile down the road.

They tried charging in the car park for a while but I think the locals burnt the little hut down or something.

 

[madzone]

fractionMan's an ex-local, he knows where I mean. Maybe he can explain better.

He's from Pz? Well I never

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

ah excellent.

another tick on my bingo card, an arbiter of the 'truth-tm'

No sorry you're right, there is never is an objective truth about anything, it's all subjective maaan.

you're in Cornwall not California you hippy.

 

[cesare]

That's what I'd do. Somehow the council seem to just roll over and let them do what they want though.

I s'pose the council just want to bring money into the area and just let them do what they want instead of making them pay for it.

 

[butchersapron]

I think the idea is probably that any investment in to the county is better than no investment. it is terribly counter-productive though, then that investment attacks local buisnesses and syphons money out of the county

Maybe they should be aggressively taxed or something? Mad idea i know, but...

 

[toggle]

That's a problem everywhere remotely "attractive", unfortunately.

There aren't that many bits of cornwall that don't get that label. Not that long ago it was the most industrialised bit of the country

 

[madzone]

Whoa, not an ex-local!

Me mum lives around the corner though and I'm down there a fair bit.

The beach bit I'm thinking of has an unsignposted carpark across a level crossing. The bit behind has a massive tescos at one end and a morrisons about 500m down the road. I think the massive sainsburys will be in between the two. Which will be great cos there's a lidl and co-op less than a mile down the road.

That's Eastern Green No caravan park there though and Tesco is about a mile away. Morrisons is quite close to it though.

 

[cesare]

Whoa, not an ex-local!

Me mum lives around the corner though and I'm down there a fair bit.

The beach bit I'm thinking of has an unsignposted carpark across a level crossing. The bit behind has a massive tescos at one end and a morrisons about 500m down the road. I think the massive sainsburys will be in between the two. Which will be great cos there's a lidl and co-op less than a mile down the road.

They tried charging in the car park for a while but I think the locals burnt the little hut down or something.

Oh yeah, your mum , not you Yep, that's exactly the bit I meant.

 

[fractionMan]

He's from Pz? Well I never

Nah, grew up in plymouth but my mum's lived in penzance for the last 5-10 years or something.

 

[toggle]

Maybe they should be aggressively taxed or something? Mad idea i know, but...

 

[madzone]

Oh yeah, your mum , not you Yep, that's exactly the bit I meant.

What caravan/camping are you thinking of then?

 

[madzone]

It's not suitable as a passenger terminal, but it's still suitable for craftspeople, artists etc.

That was just an add on. There aren't artists/craftspeople crying out for workshops or anything

 

[Teaboy]

My god, I've just read the whole thread and my eyes are on the verge of bleeding.

Madz / Toggle it seems to me BA is making quite a simple argument, there are large corporations operating out of Cornwall specificially making money out of the tourist industry, do you disagree with that?

If they wish to make money out of Cornwall because it's a special case geographically then they should expect to put far more back into the community such as subsiding water rates because it's a special case geographically.

Hell, fucking let Rick Stein subsidise everyone's water he can afford it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The council should just call their bluff. Pay the tax or GTFO.

Councils tend to be in a bind with this sort of shit, unfortunately. They have a responsibility to "promote" their area, but a lot of big companies use the obligation councils have to their area to manipulate policy. Councils are afraid to call the bluff because they often foresee large amounts of money sailing lawyer-ward if they piss big business off.
That's not to say communities can't resist or fight for a deal that does best by the community, though. The people of Sheringham in Norfolk gave Tesco some wicked bruises.

Then, of course, you also have the problem of petty (and not so petty) corruption in local politics, and a business class who're all too happy to exploit it.

 

[madzone]

Ignore him

 

[madzone]

My god, I've just read the whole thread and my eyes are on the verge of bleeding.

Madz / Toggle it seems to me BA is making quite a simple argument, there are large corporations operating out of Cornwall specificially making money out of the tourist industry, do you disagree with that? If they wish to make money out of Cornwall because it's a special case geographically then they should expect to put far more back into the community such as subsiding water rates because it's a special case geographically.

Of course, there are many small businesses struggling by, but we are not talking about them. Hell, fucking let Rick Stein subsidise everyone's water he can afford it.

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