Should the rest of us subsidise South West of England's water bills?

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If we're talking second (or more) homes and chain rental homes, then I'm in favour of expropriation and socialisation of the assets.

i[m thinking specifically of the houses only occupied for 2 weeks of the year.

the self catering flats let out for a week at a time to tourists do at least bring the tourist money into the economy. they have some benefit. so aren't a priority.

 

[likesfish]

thing was none of this work got done when the water boards were in public ownership I seem to recall there was a massive massive under investment in treatment works.
goverments are really really crap at providing services.
when the royal mail made money it got ass raped by the goverment for funds
something like a non profit making trust would be a better idea than direct goverment control or free market.

 

[cesare]

that's the bit I'm talking about. What it really needs is another fucking supermarket

Zackly. Not only that, but contributing to pushing up water bills for the residents.

 

[madzone]

The current setup is crap tbf. There's nowhere to get out of the rain while waiting to board.

The terminal is basically a shed, a queue and some quayside.

No-one is doubting it would be good to rethink it and give it a bit of development but the current plan is kind of counterproductive. It places a badly designed building in a place where people come to see the sea, not a badly designed building that looks like a toilet block. The Option Pz scheme would knock down the green tin building which is used as storage atm and build a multi purpose passenger terminal with a restaurant and the possibility of renting workshops/space out to craftspeople/artists and the like

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Oh, god....this thread has got so tedious

You just can't be arsed to understand the real problems.

 

[cesare]

Eastern green?

Yep but not from Station Rocks, I was specifically thinking of the part virtually opp Mounts Bay caravan/camping/heliport up to Marazion. The sandy bit.

 

[Idaho]

Bah, what could someone from a Somerset seaside town know about the travails of Cornwall?

Exactly. The conditions 100 miles down the coast are radically different. There's saffron buns for a start.. and ...er... different shaped pasties.

 

[madzone]

You just can't be arsed to understand the real problems.

I take it you're one of the people who rarely ventures out of politics. You're the reason I rarely venture in Too many small willies all waving round the place.

 

[madzone]

Exactly. The conditions 100 miles down the coast are radically different. There's saffron buns for a start.. and ...er... different shaped pasties.

FFS we were just trying to get butchers to clarify what the fuck he was talking about. He thinks Newquay is the whole of cornwall.

 

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I take it you're one of the people who rarely ventures out of politics. You're the reason I rarely venture in Too many small willies all waving round the place.

i really needed the image that gave me

 

[cesare]

No-one is doubting it would be good to rethink it and give it a bit of development but the current plan is kind of counterproductive. It places a badly designed building in a place where people come to see the sea, not a badly designed building that looks like a toilet block. The Option Pz scheme would knock down the green tin building which is used as storage atm and build a multi purpose passenger terminal with a restaurant and the possibility of renting workshops/space out to craftspeople/artists and the like

Back in the day, the Barbican used to be rented out to craftspeople/artists and the like.

 

[butchersapron]

FFS we were just trying to get butchers to clarify what the fuck he was talking about. He thinks Newquay is the whole of cornwall.

It's not even in cornwall!

 

[madzone]

Yep but not from Station Rocks, I was specifically thinking of the part virtually opp Mounts Bay caravan/camping/heliport up to Marazion. The sandy bit.

I've never thought of it as sandy but there you go I rarely go to the beach. Too full of fucking tourists

Mounts bay caravan park is Marazion though

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think a lot of visitors are far more aware of the problems than you think. I know it's heresy to suggest it, but those problems are actually common across the country in tourist areas. Same with the Lakes, same with parts of Devon, Dorset, Norfolk etc.

Yep. My parents' village population in Norfolk shrinks by more than half once the summer season is over, and some of the shops close up.

I think second homes should atract triple council tax. Same for all short-rent housing. No council tax on houses with 5 year rental contracts.

I used to suggest on Urban that there should be some kind of "accumulator" on Council Tax, so that if you had 2 homes you pay ordinary council tax on your "main" home, and twice whichever property's council tax is higher on the place that isn't your main residence. So, if you have three homes...well, I'm sure you get my point.

 

[madzone]

Back in the day, the Barbican used to be rented out to craftspeople/artists and the like.

Yes, I know. Some friends of mine had studios in there. It's not used for much now. I worked in there for a couple of years when Golowan had it but now I think it's just a cafe. Not even sure that's still open.

 

[ViolentPanda]

i[m thinking specifically of the houses only occupied for 2 weeks of the year. .

Fair enough.

What about weekenders (my pet hate for the last 30-some years)?

 

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Zackly. Not only that, but contributing to pushing up water bills for the residents.

I know that bit is supermarket hell. but this does raise another issue we have here.

The area has to have the facilities wanted by the locals. This includes retail and industrial parks. There are huge issues with non locals getting all upset that the whole place isn't looking dysney-fied, with all support facilities hidden away.

That incident a couple of years back where second home owners stopped local fishermen building a dock exemplified this, but there are a lot of other situations where tourist s seem to want any industry that isn't a granite engine house to disapear.

 

[ViolentPanda]

thing was none of this work got done when the water boards were in public ownership I seem to recall there was a massive massive under investment in treatment works.
goverments are really really crap at providing services.
when the royal mail made money it got ass raped by the goverment for funds
something like a non profit making trust would be a better idea than direct goverment control or free market.

Privatisation was 20+ years ago, in which time (according to ONS stats) all the counties in "the west country, including the one BA lives in, have seen population growth that hasn't been matched by infrastructure growth.

 

[cesare]

I've never thought of it as sandy but there you go I rarely go to the beach. Too full of fucking tourists

Mounts bay caravan park is Marazion though

It's really sandy and proper beach! Mounts Bay caravan/camping ain't Marazion though, it's in that no-man's land in between that the big businesses nicked to build their fucking retail park on

 

[madzone]

Where is anyone saying that this issue is unique to Cornwall? All toggle and I were trying to do was make sense of what butchers was saying because we didn't recognise it.

Why do you all persist in dragging threads off course like this? It's so fucking dull.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Exactly. The conditions 100 miles down the coast are radically different. There's saffron buns for a start.. and ...er... different shaped pasties.

And don't forget that the cider is made with different families of apples!

 

[madzone]

It's really sandy and proper beach! Mounts Bay caravan/camping ain't Marazion though, it's in that no-man's land in between that the big businesses nicked to build their fucking retail park on

It's not, you know

Not unless it's changed its name.

 

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Fair enough.

What about weekenders (my pet hate for the last 30-some years)?

IMO, it is specifically the people who own homes solely for their own 2 weeks of the year holidays that is the biggest problem. Some of the others are a problem, but not as much. If the thing was let the rest of the season, taxed as a buisness and brought money into the community, then it might be less of a problem, but there are villages dying because they were pretty enough to attract this kind of house ownership.

 

[cesare]

I know that bit is supermarket hell. but this does raise another issue we have here.

The area has to have the facilities wanted by the locals. This includes retail and industrial parks. There are huge issues with non locals getting all upset that the whole place isn't looking dysney-fied, with all support facilities hidden away.

That incident a couple of years back where second home owners stopped local fishermen building a dock exemplified this, but there are a lot of other situations where tourist s seem to want any industry that isn't a granite engine house to disapear.

Yeah, that's what I was saying about the big businesses moving in and providing facilities e.g. employment and convenience for residents, but at no extra cost i.e. upkeep of coastline etc. They should be taxed to fuck, they can afford it.

 

[cesare]

It's not, you know

Not unless it's changed its name.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I take it you're one of the people who rarely ventures out of politics. You're the reason I rarely venture in Too many small willies all waving round the place.

Thats it cover your ears and make LALALALA noises so you don't have to put up with a truth you can't handle.

 

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Yeah, that's what I was saying about the big businesses moving in and providing facilities e.g. employment and convenience for residents, but at no extra cost i.e. upkeep of coastline etc. They should be taxed to fuck, they can afford it.

no it isn't what you were saying.

I am talking about the clash between the facilities that are needed by the locals as opposed to the landscape that the tourists think should be there instead.

 

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Thats it cover your ears and make LALALALA noises so you don't have to put up with a truth you can't handle.

ah excellent.

another tick on my bingo card, an arbiter of the 'truth-tm'

 

[madzone]

Yeah, that's what I was saying about the big businesses moving in and providing facilities e.g. employment and convenience for residents, but at no extra cost i.e. upkeep of coastline etc. They should be taxed to fuck, they can afford it.

It won't happen because they threaten to pull out. Fuck knows why the council don't just let them.

Toggle, it's not just about locals wanting facilities. It's actually quite a lot to do with people moving down, realising there isn't a Sainsburies 3 minutes from their house and moaning like fuck.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I know that bit is supermarket hell. but this does raise another issue we have here.

The area has to have the facilities wanted by the locals. This includes retail and industrial parks. There are huge issues with non locals getting all upset that the whole place isn't looking dysney-fied, with all support facilities hidden away.

That incident a couple of years back where second home owners stopped local fishermen building a dock exemplified this, but there are a lot of other situations where tourist s seem to want any industry that isn't a granite engine house to disapear.

That's a problem everywhere remotely "attractive", unfortunately.