the latest socialist worker article here -
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9615
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9615
Sheridan abandons hope for the SSP and tries to form new party
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nwnm said:
Preparing an exit strategy too.
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I predict the CWI will not last long in this environment.
In England, SWP are already purging ISG members from being delegates to the upcoming conference. eg in Tower Hamlets, SWP have taken 9 of the 17 delegate places to conference (down from 40 places in 2005 by the way); prominent ISG member and blogger Liam Macuaid (macuaid.blogspot.com) will not be one of the other delegates due no doubt to his uncany ability to speak his mind and say what he thinks. [And that's not the only one I've heard of.]
Once Sheridan inevitably bows out for his media career with his wife, the CWI will exit too. It will serve them right too.
In England, SWP are already purging ISG members from being delegates to the upcoming conference. eg in Tower Hamlets, SWP have taken 9 of the 17 delegate places to conference (down from 40 places in 2005 by the way); prominent ISG member and blogger Liam Macuaid (macuaid.blogspot.com) will not be one of the other delegates due no doubt to his uncany ability to speak his mind and say what he thinks. [And that's not the only one I've heard of.]
Once Sheridan inevitably bows out for his media career with his wife, the CWI will exit too. It will serve them right too.
treelover said:
Well there cerainly wasn't anyone from Brum.
Basically, the Soc Unity report says there weren't significant numbers from 'down south', and that is the case. I'm sure a few leading Respecters from London were there to see what was going on for themselves, but I wouldn't get too excited about it.
For those of you who couldn't make it, the BBC have got a film of Tommy's mum singing to his conference at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5318032.stm
The SSP really should sort out their website: -
http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org/pages/aboutus.html
http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org/pages/aboutus.html
Alan G said:
thats the one and the tally is for both rallies-
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/69352.html
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The Weekly Worker has an interesting and detailed account of both meetings, with a summary of each speaker's contribution.
Nice bits from the SSP event...
Nice bits from the SSP event...
Carolyn Leckie, MSP for Central Scotland, opened by observing that she had nowhere to park her broomstick - a reference to Tommy Sheridan’s attack on the “witches” in the party in the weeks after his resignation in 2004.
Carolyn expressed the view that the fight for women’s rights in society generally had been set back 30 years.
Colin observed that a year and a half ago, when he was first elected convenor, he had optimistically declared that the party’s “best days were ahead of us”. He had been wrong: “The worst days had been ahead.” But now the worst was behind and “the nightmare is over”. Tommy Sheridan had won his court case, but he would never defeat the SSP.
And from the Tommy platform -Carolyn expressed the view that the fight for women’s rights in society generally had been set back 30 years.
Colin observed that a year and a half ago, when he was first elected convenor, he had optimistically declared that the party’s “best days were ahead of us”. He had been wrong: “The worst days had been ahead.” But now the worst was behind and “the nightmare is over”. Tommy Sheridan had won his court case, but he would never defeat the SSP.
Jim Walls, TGWU convenor for the open cast mining industry (representing 3,500 miners) ... concluded by pulling out of his pocket 100 application forms to join Solidarity from his members. Down from the 500 or so he had promised the SSP when he joined it earlier this year. And down even from the 300 he was offering Tommy Sheridan a few weeks ago.
It was noticeable that while none of the SWP speakers owned up to their affiliation, every single CWI speaker did.
It was noticeable that while none of the SWP speakers owned up to their affiliation, every single CWI speaker did.
I did a quick estimate.<of the SSP rally>There were two aisles of 9seats each. There were 28rows. More chairs were then brought in an people were still standing at the back. That means 504 seats then more brought in and people standing. So 400low end as there were a few seats around empty when I did a count. 500 more accurate said:Judging by your estimate you are on crack - 504 seats + more brought in and people standing. 400 is the low end of your estimate?if there were 504 seats <+more brought in> and people standing<why?> there would be more than a few empty seats wouldn't there? And the SSP are now claiming 400 btw - not that I'm questioning your/their 'integrity' or anything....
nwnm said:Judging by your estimate you are on crack - 504 seats + more brought in and people standing. 400 is the low end of your estimate?
I counted when I looked around and there were around 10% seats empty - so about 440ish. People started standing at the back after the second half due to the heat of the room. There was a wide door for entrance and I saw loads of people coming in who didnt register. There wasnt an announcement to register made until the end when the heat was pretty unbearable and people were heading to the bar.
If it helps you picture the room teh chairs were all touching each other too, no space inbetween, so amazingly peopel satrted moving back and spreading out more later in the day due to the heat. Unless of course you think if there were the exact number of seats then everyone would be seated in perfect rows like at all good meetings (never mind those on the platform, those in the creche and on stalls etc)
nwnm said:
no it wasnt, I said
"So 400low end as there were a few seats around empty when I did a count. 500 more accurate, 600if you are on crack."
that means I estimated between 400 and we'll say 550 as I said 500 was pretty accurate and 600 too high. When I counted was about 5mins into the start, more people were arriving during it.
So me saying I looked and counted 440 in 504 seats and more people arrived and we got more chairs tallies with my estimate of 400-550.
Interestingly, the fantasy reports put about that whole regions are defecting to Solidarity are wide of the mark- with it taking just a week or so to re-form some branches
pleasing to see some SWP members up here sticking with the SSP as well
solidarity dont seem to be registered yet as a political party, and considering the fact that the BNP have already registered the name for their union front organisation
pleasing to see some SWP members up here sticking with the SSP as well
solidarity dont seem to be registered yet as a political party, and considering the fact that the BNP have already registered the name for their union front organisation
exosculate
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JimPage said:
I thought the working class vote in England was generally speaking split between Labour, Liberal and Tory?
With a fair bit of abstention to be fair
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niclas said:
The SWPers that I know that are staying in the SSP have now left the SWP.
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This is interesting -
What a wonderful example of rising above it all. The Daily Record sub-editor missed a trick with the headline, though - it could have been The Liar, The Witch and the Warzone.
(I'll get me coat).
TOMMY Sheridan is to visit Lebanon with former Scottish Socialist Party colleague Rosie Kane.
The feuding left-wing MSPs have accepted invitations from the supporters of Lebanon in Scotland group.
Sheridan, who founded the Solidarity party after leaving the SSP, said: "I'll be taking a message of solidarity to the people of Lebanon and will assure them we in Scotland do not support the attack on their country."
Kane added: "The key focus will be the conditions inflected on the Lebanese by the Israeli bombing."
The feuding left-wing MSPs have accepted invitations from the supporters of Lebanon in Scotland group.
Sheridan, who founded the Solidarity party after leaving the SSP, said: "I'll be taking a message of solidarity to the people of Lebanon and will assure them we in Scotland do not support the attack on their country."
Kane added: "The key focus will be the conditions inflected on the Lebanese by the Israeli bombing."
What a wonderful example of rising above it all. The Daily Record sub-editor missed a trick with the headline, though - it could have been The Liar, The Witch and the Warzone.
(I'll get me coat).
JoePolitix
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Fullyplumped said:
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Ayethangew.
exosculate said:I thought the working class vote in England was generally speaking split between Labour, Liberal and Tory?
With a fair bit of abstention to be fair
Yeah, they do. Mostly Labour. Except on certain run down council estates where a large number of them sometimes vote BNP. Except in Glasgow...
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