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Am I right in thinking that the infection fatality rate differs depending what country you are in and what healthcare you have access to etc and that currently it's thought to usually be somewhere between 0.4 and 1.2?

People have quoted different measurements on twitter and I didn't know they had worked out the fatality rate so precisely yet.
 
Am I right in thinking that the infection fatality rate differs depending what country you are in and what healthcare you have access to etc and that currently it's thought to usually be somewhere between 0.4 and 1.2?

People have quoted different measurements on twitter and I didn't know they had worked out the fatality rate so precisely yet.

Yes. And there is some data to show that the rate is improving as treatments start to get refined.
 
Yes. And there is some data to show that the rate is improving as treatments start to get refined.

Yes I guess as more is known about how to treat it, what warnings to look for , hospitals have expanded capacity etc, the fatality rate has reduced. However I've seen it argued that the low fatality rate is a reason not to do anything like wear masks :facepalm: when surely one of the reasons it is lower now in many places is hospitals aren't overwhelmed, people can give time to each patient etc
 
Am I right in thinking that the infection fatality rate differs depending what country you are in and what healthcare you have access to etc and that currently it's thought to usually be somewhere between 0.4 and 1.2?

People have quoted different measurements on twitter and I didn't know they had worked out the fatality rate so precisely yet.

I did read somewhere that there have been very big differences in fatality rates in different hospitals in the UK. I can’t remember where I saw this though.
 
I did read somewhere that there have been very big differences in fatality rates in different hospitals in the UK. I can’t remember where I saw this though.

You have to remember natural variation in data when comparing something like UK hospitals. It would be dangerous to make simple conclusions about something like hospital performance from limited data.
 
Does anyone know if you can get tested with no symptoms if you are a care worker? My fella would like to get the test done but he has no symptoms.
 
Does anyone know if you can get tested with no symptoms if you are a care worker? My fella would like to get the test done but he has no symptoms.

Yes, anyone can get tested. You just have to ignore what it says on the NHS site about eligibility and symptoms and go ahead and book the test anyway.


This is what it says:
You can get a test:
  • for yourself, if you have coronavirus symptoms now (a high temperature, a new, continuous cough, or a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste)
  • for someone you live with, if they have symptoms
  • if you live in England and have been told to have a test before you go into hospital, for example, for surgery
  • if you live in Leicester, where there’s a coronavirus outbreak
This service is for people of all ages in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Just ignore it and book the test.
 
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My mum wants me to do the swab test on her but I think she should do it herself. Anyone got any advice on which is best?
 
This from Dominic Harrison, public health director for Blackburn, gives a much more sensible list of symptoms than the NHS test booking site:
I want to ask everyone in the borough to attend for testing – especially those who may not think they have symptoms. This applies particularly to anyone who has felt unwell or had any viral-type symptoms over the last two weeks. The USA Communicable Disease Centre has now identified 11 conditions that are associated with Covid-19. These are : fever or chills; cough; shortness of breath or difficulty breathing; fatigue; muscle or body aches ; headache ;new loss of taste or smell ; sore throat ; congestion or runny nose; nausea or vomiting; diarrhoea.

If you have any of these symptoms in the last two weeks and live in Blackburn with Darwen – please now come and get tested!

 
arse.
I had that recently - but I've had long-term snottiness and sometimes a sore throat which I labelled "bacterial" and hayfever is now added to the confusing mix ...
But I generally try to proceed as though I'm Typhoid Mary.
 
Interesting that has now made the list, it was very deliberately not a Covid symptom at the beginning. :confused:

It’s still not on the list of symptoms shown on the UK test booking site. I’d say congestion and tiredness are the symptoms I’ve had consistently since I got it, but going off the UK guidance that wouldn’t qualify me for testing.
 
I'm intrigued by the possibility of symptomless covid.

Most years I routinely get viruses with just fever / mild headache and tiredness and perhaps one or two token sneezes, (the past two years I had viruses that completely floored me for months) whereas since this all got going in March I have had low-level secondary symptoms - including a very slight phlegmy cough which I'm associating with the slight snottiness.
I was hoping getting back to cycling to work (5 weeks now) would clear that - perhaps I should try gargling with salt ...

At the start of this I was obsessively checking my temperature and inputting to the research app and I have a blood oximeter trapped in an Amazon locker...

One thing I have learned is that some of us have a low starting point for temperature and I saw one speculation by a doctor that it might put one in good stead for a mild dose of covid.
 
My wife and eldest both tests on Sunday and got negative results on Monday. My son hasn't been anywhere near anyone, just at home in our house and neither have we. yougest had a negative test the Wednesday before, ahead of a dental extraction and was negative. Again, hasn't been anywhere since.

My mum misses my boys terribly, more so with Dad intensive care and in hospital with no visiting allowed for 3 weeks now, with a similar 6 week stint in there 3 weeks before that

So...my youngest has a appointment this morning, but with negative test results yesterday, could it be safe to leave my eldest with my mum while I do her shopping? (She's 74)
 
My wife and eldest both tests on Sunday and got negative results on Monday. My son hasn't been anywhere near anyone, just at home in our house and neither have we. yougest had a negative test the Wednesday before, ahead of a dental extraction and was negative. Again, hasn't been anywhere since.

My mum misses my boys terribly, more so with Dad intensive care and in hospital with no visiting allowed for 3 weeks now, with a similar 6 week stint in there 3 weeks before that

So...my youngest has a appointment this morning, but with negative test results yesterday, could it be safe to leave my eldest with my mum while I do her shopping? (She's 74)
Nobody's ever going to be able to give you a guarantee of safety, but I'd say the risk factors are pretty well dialled-back there. But that kind of thing can't be the call of a bunch of randoms on the Internet...you have to decide.
 
Nobody's ever going to be able to give you a guarantee of safety, but I'd say the risk factors are pretty well dialled-back there. But that kind of thing can't be the call of a bunch of randoms on the Internet...you have to decide.

Yeah, absolutely get that, though in this instance in particular, a well written, apparently sensible post appears a reliable as the endless stream of conflicting drivel from the Government
 
Yeah, absolutely get that, though in this instance in particular, a well written, apparently sensible post appears a reliable as the endless stream of conflicting drivel from the Government
I'll probably get it in the neck from some quarters for this, but I think the best defence against this (or any pandemic) is reasonably well-informed personal choice. Legislation is a blunt instrument which can never take account of individual circumstances, and tends to be trying to strike a balance between the specific agendas of the politicians proposing it, and the functional need for it. So, for example, I am a bit appalled by the people who take 1m-plus-and-masks as some kind of magical amulet that protects them from Covid-19, regardless of what else they are doing (the particular example I have in mind is that of counsellors who are interpreting government guidelines to suggest that they'll be perfectly safe sitting in a room with a sobbing, snotting, laughing, shouting client...or a succession of them, just so long as they've got that ruler out for the separation :rolleyes:).

On the other side of it...I live in a rural community which, until the tsunami of holidaymakers arrived a week or two ago, has had about 3 Covid-19 deaths in a 30 mile radius - we have been in a state of grace which has meant that the kind of precautions you're describing would not have been necessary. That has enabled people to be a lot more pragmatic about how they manage the risk, given that the odds of any given (local) individual being infected are extremely low. So people have tended to be less paranoid, and more willing to gather, with at least a significant nod towards social distancing...though masks have been a rarity, even now. That's changing with all the holidaymakers, and we are starting to see an uptick in the number of cases being treated in local hospitals, along with anecdotal stories of people wandering into GP surgeries they're not registered to and complaining of Covid-19 symptoms.

None of this is really adequately covered by legislation (Welsh or UK), and I think that those of us with enough of a handle on things just have to work out how we feel the best way to protect ourselves and our communities is...and those who want to simply stick by the law? Well, OK, they're probably putting themselves at more risk in some ways (you are not obliged to wear a mask in shops in Wales, for example), but at less in others...eg., if they're rigorously observing social distancing rules, and so on.

So, yeah - the best any of us can do in an individual situation is to look at the risk factors, figure out how to minimise them, and take our chances.
 
The eviction ban ends 23/08/2020 but does anyone know if it only covered private housing? I live in social housing. Thanks.
 


The WHO currently estimates the infection fatality rate at 0.6% (there's other studies that are higher or lower and I guess it will differ by country depending on age profile, nutrition, quality of medical care etc).

However in an interview I listened to about a week ago Dr Fauci said he thought the fatality rate was 1%. I guess it doesn't really matter it's a pretty horrible virus either way.
 
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