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Shamed cop and Scout leader GUILTY of 40 child sex offences
hardly the first and he won't be the last
(...)A police force harboured a prolific paedophile within its ranks for years despite serious concerns about his conduct which led to two criminal investigations.
Another source said: “If anything protected him it was the police culture of the time. Richards was a football fan, he was ‘one of the lads’ and his colleagues found the claims hard to believe.”
Richards, from Tile Cross, Birmingham, had been investigated twice on suspicion of child sex offences during his police career but his house was not searched until 2015 when a specialist team from the public protection unit took over the case and uncovered the extent of his offending.
In 2000, he had been interviewed under caution, but the case was dropped. He was arrested in 2004 but the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to press charges.
The 2004 investigation followed a complaint of sexual assault from a scout which led to Richards being thrown out of the movement. Yet he was able to remain a warranted police officer until his retirement on a full pension in 2011.
In 2005, Richards was moved to a back office role with the police where he would have no contact with the public.
He preyed on boys who went to the police to report sexual assaults and carried out some attacks inside Birmingham Central police station. Five of his convictions were for misconduct in public office, directly related to his abuse of power as a police officer.
nasty brutish and shortAn ex-copper, and a nonce. That'll be fun for him inside. :thumbs :
nasty brutish and short
It would.
This raises a question though. Do such people deserve special treatment in prison, to protect them from the consequences of their vile behaviour?
If such people knew that they would be in the general prison population if caught, do you think that that may make them think twice about their actions in the first place?
It would.
This raises a question though. Do such people deserve special treatment in prison, to protect them from the consequences of their vile behaviour?
If such people knew that they would be in the general prison population if caught, do you think that that may make them think twice about their actions in the first place?
Of course they deserve special treatment, people are sent to prison to be punished by having their liberty removed, not to be beaten up. We've moved on from the days of the stocks.
No. And no.It would.
This raises a question though. Do such people deserve special treatment in prison, to protect them from the consequences of their vile behaviour?
If such people knew that they would be in the general prison population if caught, do you think that that may make them think twice about their actions in the first place?
Although I am not an advocate of prison justice, I don't see why they should be sequestered off into what would inevitably become a rather cosy setup. No, they may have got special treatment to avoid conviction for so long, but they should serve their time just like anyone else. Continue to treat these people as special cases, as they have been all their lives, and they'll take full advantage.I think we need a supermax purely for ex copper nonces at this rate.
Yes. It should be possible for even a child sex abuser to complete their sentence without having to be in fear of their life, something which will very much get in the way of their using the time to reflect on the reason they are there. The answer is to make sure, via proper administration and running of prisons, that no sex offender (or other class of prisoner) should be at any greater risk than any other prisoner.Of course they deserve special treatment, people are sent to prison to be punished by having their liberty removed, not to be beaten up. We've moved on from the days of the stocks.
The "mad vs bad" thing.Indeed. That said...
They wouldn't just be beaten up though. So, they must be protected.
Have you a view re 'mad or bad' on this? I do find it difficult to understand, how a mind in good order can do this. Protection of one's children is a primal trait, followed by the protection of all children.
I suppose it doesn't really matter, whether 'mad or bad', as long as they are locked up. The problem is, if it is a disorder of the mind, without treatment (does effective treatment even exist?), the person is likely to re-offend on release.
There do seem to be an increasing number of convictions, primarily historic, followed by the ongoing prosecutions in Bradford. I'm sure that there must be statistics, detailing convictions per n of the population. How much is happening now, to be prosecuted in twenty years time?
A dark business really.
Although I am not an advocate of prison justice, I don't see why they should be sequestered off into what would inevitably become a rather cosy setup. No, they may have got special treatment to avoid conviction for so long, but they should serve their time just like anyone else. Continue to treat these people as special cases, as they have been all their lives, and they'll take full advantage.
You'd have a large group of manipulative, probably above-average intelligence, people who've learned a trick or two along the way. I think the risk of them suborning the system to their own ends would be quite high: a lot of them will be sharper than the people guarding them. From that point of view alone, they're better diluted among the general prison population, I think. Unless we want to recruit and train a cadre of particularly psychologically clued in prison officers, and all the support/supervision arrangements that would entail, and I can't see the MoJ going for that any time soon.I don't think being housed with all the other 'vulnerable' prisoners really qualifies as a 'cosy' set up.
You'd have a large group of manipulative, probably above-average intelligence, people who've learned a trick or two along the way. I think the risk of them suborning the system to their own ends would be quite high: a lot of them will be sharper than the people guarding them. From that point of view alone, they're better diluted among the general prison population, I think. Unless we want to recruit and train a cadre of particularly psychologically clued in prison officers, and all the support/supervision arrangements that would entail, and I can't see the MoJ going for that any time soon.
You'd have a large group of manipulative, probably above-average intelligence, people who've learned a trick or two along the way. I think the risk of them suborning the system to their own ends would be quite high: a lot of them will be sharper than the people guarding them. From that point of view alone, they're better diluted among the general prison population, I think. Unless we want to recruit and train a cadre of particularly psychologically clued in prison officers, and all the support/supervision arrangements that would entail, and I can't see the MoJ going for that any time soon.
I know there are specialists. I also know they're very thin on the ground, and that SOTPs are often interrupted by prisoner moves and other operational stuff. I just can't see the merits of concentrating a whole group of prisoners in a special prison.and you don;t think the parts ofthe estate that deal with Sex Offenders aren't staff with that regard plus of course the psychiatry and psychological services and the specific 'education' programmes e.g. the various SOTPs and 'new me' stuff ...
Yeah, but I'd prefer that they use the resources to securely house all prisoners in a way that keeps them safe. It's not just nonces who get done over.It is hard to manipulate someone when they shank you. As much as the idea of them being killed by prisoners appeals. I understand it is a terrible idea for society and prison as well. Prison should rehabilitate those it can and securely house those it can't.
Yeah, but I'd prefer that they use the resources to securely house all prisoners in a way that keeps them safe. It's not just nonces who get done over.
You'd have a large group of manipulative, probably above-average intelligence, people who've learned a trick or two along the way. I think the risk of them suborning the system to their own ends would be quite high: a lot of them will be sharper than the people guarding them. From that point of view alone, they're better diluted among the general prison population, I think. Unless we want to recruit and train a cadre of particularly psychologically clued in prison officers, and all the support/supervision arrangements that would entail, and I can't see the MoJ going for that any time soon.
Considering the current level of violence in prison it would seem perverse that those convicted of child sex offenses end up being the safest people in the nick with "special measures" ensuring their safety while all the rest must "take their chances"Yeah, but I'd prefer that they use the resources to securely house all prisoners in a way that keeps them safe. It's not just nonces who get done over.