Scottish independence - as an Englishman, am I "wrong" not to give a crap?
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
yes, you are wrong - Scotland becoming independant will effect you (assuming you live in the UK) - the effects/emotions of a divorce will undoubtedly cause some political change/side effects within the rest of the UK, the divvying up of resources/debt will definately effect you, whatever happens to Trident - whether moving it or decommissioning it - will cost you money, and the UK Air Defence system you probably don't know exists will have 400+ miles of its radar coverage removed.
its quite possible that if you have children who live on the other side of the border the previously agreed court orders will no longer be enforcable, perhaps the same will occur for Child Maintainence payments.
this is not an academic exercise, it will have significant effects even on the the southernmost - and only an idiot doesn't care about something that effects them.
its quite possible that if you have children who live on the other side of the border the previously agreed court orders will no longer be enforcable, perhaps the same will occur for Child Maintainence payments.
this is not an academic exercise, it will have significant effects even on the the southernmost - and only an idiot doesn't care about something that effects them.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The 24 Tube stations and other parts of national infrastructure that Scotland own and will sell off to Germany, the 9% of Gibraltar they're going to sell to Spain...and so on.
gosub
~#
my comment was in response to your 'thanks to England rah rah' bullshit. If you genuinely don't care, why bring that one up? Oh, and btw, England and Scotland aren't the only countries in the union...
Technically Wales is a principality, even Owain Gwynedd consisdered himself a Prince rather than King, and doesn't have a Parliament its an Assembly, I think it stems from having a patron saint who sweated the small stuff.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
gosub
~#
Probably being a bit thick here, but what does that mean?
The example of his life, and the modernity of his most famous saying - that we should concentrate on "doing the little things in God's presence with conscientiousness and devotion," make St David a figure with a contemporary appeal.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
you think they should go into landfill?, or perhaps be dropped off at a couple of the charity shops in Helensborough?
200 nuclear weapons and 4 nuclear reactors are not just switched off and placed in the 'small electrical appliances' bin at the local tip, they require decommissioning, and that is expensive - it is also quite possible that an independant Scotland would not allow such work to take place on its soil, which means it would have to be done elsewhere. guess where that would be...
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Why would it?? The sectarian crap that goes with certain football teams are a very small number of people. Most weegies I have encountered coming to the NE are amazed that we don't give a shit about it here. Doesn't happen north of the central belt ime.not my issue.
why do you presume that all of the loose ends won't be discussed, and that Salmond and Cameron won't be reasonable?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if you live in England, Wales or Northern Ireland it certainly is your issue - it might get done near you, and even if it isn't you'll be paying for it.
these issues will be discussed - what is unknown is whether a mutually acceptble agreement will be reached, and what that will be.
you are, obviously, an idiot.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Cellar under Westminster?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
oh no, somewhere poor and grateful.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
It was just wishful thinking.
King Biscuit Time
Well-Known Member
I'd love to see it happen. Really fucking love to see an Independent, forward looking Scotland making its way in the world. Hopefully it would prompt a more few right-headed people south of the border to have a good hard think about what we want out of a country, and why the people who run ours are still pricking about in wood paneled rooms wearing wigs and robes and telling people that what they want 'simply isn't possible'.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
Doesn't the Houses of Parliament require some serious underpinning to stop it falling into the river?
A golden opportunity! Fissile materials are very dense so burying the nuclear weapons under the building would be ideal. A new strong foundation, with the happy side effect of free underfloor heating for several hundred thousand years.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I think you might be right about a divorce triggering a change in England. With luck it would force the North and the other regions to assert themselves more and demand more self-governing powers to rebalance the deeply unhealthy dominance of London.
That would be a very good thing in my book.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Who knows; overall, I imagine it would be a positive thing. Independence, not sectarianism.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
In that case, you care. You really do.
coley
Well-Known Member
The NE mair than likely
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
Oh. They've been banned. Who was it do you think?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Nigel Farage?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i fear sadly that whats more likely is an almighty sulk with a 'well fuck you all..' reaction - nasty, insular nationalism with people like UKIP doing distressingly well, withdrawl from the ECHR, flouncing out of the EU etc.. truth is, if Scotland decides to leave the UK its going to hurt, its going to be like a partner saying they don't want to be with you anymore, and as most of us who've been through that know, it can - certainly initially - bring out some pretty unpleasent, self-defeating emotions.
my own view is that in the event of a 'no' vote in Scotland the kind of political restructuring you've mentioned is more likely than with a 'yes' vote - certainly the 3 main westminster parties seem to think that a referendum in Scotland is a shot across their bows and that stuff has to change. devo-max for Scotland appears to be universally on offer post 2015, and something broadly similar for Wales. i imagine in such an event that a campaign for a Council of the North would be pushing at an open door...
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Plymouth seems to be pushing quite hard to get the new submarine base if its required - theres already lots of infrastructure there for both the SSN's and SSBN's - and an extra 5,000 well paid, high skill jobs, as well as the £3-5bn it would cost to build a new Faslane/Coulport at Devonport would be very welcome. if it comes to it, expect to find anyone opposing it locked in a cellar....
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
The MOD says the subs can't go to Plymouth because
which tells you everything about how much the government gives a fuck about Scotland and its people given that Faslane is 40 miles from Scotland's largest city.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/04/mod-nuclear-submarines-scotland-plymouth
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
if HMNB Clyde was just outside Govan you might have a point, but its not, its 40 miles away, and its prevailing wind does not go towards Glasgow. Devonport however is in Plymouth, its not even as far as Pacific Quay is from Central station...
in the event of Trident leaving Scotland, expect the MOD's assessment of Devonports suitability to change.
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