Scots indy results thread

[Cpatain Rbubish]

I reckon Alec's made a mistake in resigning. Any half decent Eton uneducated (but well connected) advisor would have have told him that the supremely deft political move would be to transform the SNP into a UK national party. I reckon he could of torn chunks out of the established parties in the rest of the UK

 

[DairyQueen]

I reckon Alec's made a mistake in resigning. Any half decent Eton uneducated (but well connected) advisor would have have told him that the supremely deft political move would be to transform the SNP into a UK national party. I reckon he could torn chunks out of the established parties in the rest of the UK

I always thought some spoiler in the north of England might get a few deposits back

 

[butchersapron]

Fantasy lib-dem world.

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

Fantasy lib-dem world.

Was that...

Lib Dems did get into government on the back of some promises. People probably did think about their vote, just expected much, much more from the Lib Dems. Are they not going to free the weed if they get another chance?

About this?

 

[kebabking]

he's also laughing his head off because every additional SNP MP is another MP who won't be voting against the Tories, or for Labour, on English/Welsh/NI affairs...

he's got one MP in Scotland, Labour has 40. the rise of the SNP makes his life easier and Millipeeds harder - Cameron has nothing to lose and everthing to gain by the SNP gaining more seats, Labour however has lots to lose and nothing to gain.

 

[butchersapron]

Was that...



About this?

Was this and this.

 

[butchersapron]

he's also laughing his head off because every additional SNP MP is another MP who won't be voting against the Tories, or for Labour, on English/Welsh/NI affairs...

he's got one MP in Scotland, Labour has 40. the rise of the SNP makes his life easier and Millipeeds harder - Cameron has nothing to lose and everthing to gain by the SNP gaining more seats, Labour however has lots to lose and nothing to gain.

What additional MPs? Where?

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

Was this and this.

Quite right

Well, was it?

E2A: You'll ave to excuse me dicktion as...

A. I'm lazy
B. Some people on'ere think I even smelt me usedupname wrong FFS!

 

[butchersapron]

Quite right

Well, was it?

Yes it was.

 

[DairyQueen]

What additional MPs? Where?

The latest WM voting intention in Scotland had SNP(+15)-Labour(+1) neck and neck. On a uniform swing (7% to SNP), they could get ten or so of their targets. Big could, and maybe optimistic.

 

[DairyQueen]

he's also laughing his head off because every additional SNP MP is another MP who won't be voting against the Tories, or for Labour, on English/Welsh/NI affairs...

he's got one MP in Scotland, Labour has 40. the rise of the SNP makes his life easier and Millipeeds harder - Cameron has nothing to lose and everthing to gain by the SNP gaining more seats, Labour however has lots to lose and nothing to gain.

It depends how close the Parliament is, if it is a coalition again and SNP votes count, I don't think Cameron would like that one bit. Think war.

 

[butchersapron]

The latest WM voting intention in Scotland had SNP(+15)-Labour(+1) neck and neck. On a uniform swing (7% to SNP), they could get ten or so of their targets. Big could, and maybe optimistic.

Have you a link?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

he's also laughing his head off because every additional SNP MP is another MP who won't be voting against the Tories, or for Labour, on English/Welsh/NI affairs...

he's got one MP in Scotland, Labour has 40. the rise of the SNP makes his life easier and Millipeeds harder - Cameron has nothing to lose and everthing to gain by the SNP gaining more seats, Labour however has lots to lose and nothing to gain.

Dunno if that's true. I think it's hard to predict who benefits here. I can see lots of potential headaches for Cameron if he's seen to be weakening the union. The fact that the 'West Lothian question' is now a phrase known about by more than just political anoraks like many of us on here is a big headache - I'm sure all sides in Westminster would prefer to just not talk about it and not do anything about it.

 

[DairyQueen]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...n-2016-election-says-survation-poll-1-3548137

It is a big if, SNP support might drop, and it depends how the campaign goes. It was done for the Express.

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...n-2016-election-says-survation-poll-1-3548137

It is a big if, SNP support might drop, and it depends how the campaign goes. It was done for the Express.

Where is this 15% rise?

 

[DairyQueen]

They got 20% in 2010. That survey has 35%.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Dunno if that's true. I think it's hard to predict who benefits here. I can see lots of potential headaches for Cameron if he's seen to be weakening the union. The fact that the 'West Lothian question' is now a phrase known about by more than just political anoraks like many of us on here is a big headache - I'm sure all sides in Westminster would prefer to just not talk about it and not do anything about it.

Why on earth would the Tories want the west Lothian questi n to go away?

 

[butchersapron]

They got 20% in 2010. That survey has 35%.

So the 15% rise is not from thursday as you suggested. What was it last time before thursday?

 

[toggle]

Dunno if that's true. I think it's hard to predict who benefits here. I can see lots of potential headaches for Cameron if he's seen to be weakening the union. The fact that the 'West Lothian question' is now a phrase known about by more than just political anoraks like many of us on here is a big headache - I'm sure all sides in Westminster would prefer to just not talk about it and not do anything about it.

Why on earth would the Tories want the west Lothian questi n to go away?

i wouoldn't have thought they would. because whining about the english being short changed by devolution is a vote winner for them. it's in their interests to whine loudly and do nothing.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

i wouoldn't have thought they would. because whining about the english being short changed by devolution is a vote winner for them. it's in their interests to whine loudly and do nothing.

Exactly

 

[butchersapron]

It's vote winner for UKIP not the tories. For the tories it's a time wasting headache they can do without.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i wouoldn't have thought they would. because whining about the english being short changed by devolution is a vote winner for them. it's in their interests to whine loudly and do nothing.

It's a question that's been out there ever since devolution, and they've generally kept relatively quiet about it until now, when they are forced to address it. And it is a question that has no solution that the Tories would contemplate. It may exercise the minds of English voters now, but it's hard to see how the Tories or anyone else for that matter will come up with good answers.

 

[butchersapron]

i wouoldn't have thought they would. because whining about the english being short changed by devolution is a vote winner for them. it's in their interests to whine loudly and do nothing.

The english

Look - this nationalism is everywhere now. It's cool!

 

[toggle]

The english

Look - this nationalism is everywhere now. It's cool!

everywhere now?

 

[butchersapron]

everywhere now?

Well, it's certainly more acceptable now - maybe your nationalism is more exclusive. But it doesn't really matter how well popular "the english" is for it to be pointed as as vile idiocy. "the english" ffs.

 

[butchersapron]

the english
the english
the english
the blacks
the english
the pirates
the slaves
the english
the irish
the miners
the stovemakers
the morons

 

[Quartz]

I reckon Alec's made a mistake in resigning. Any half decent Eton uneducated (but well connected) advisor would have have told him that the supremely deft political move would be to transform the SNP into a UK national party.

You mean merge with UKIP?

 

[Cpatain Rbubish]

You mean merge with UKIP?

Not what I had in mind

I was simply musing that if they dropped their reason d'être (Scottish independence) and became a UK party I could see them attracting a lot of votes across all nations. A lot of their policies would be very popular IMO, no idea if they could deliver on them but that would hardly be a paradigm shift in UK politics would it

 

[butchersapron]

Not what I had in mind

I was simply musing that if they dropped their reason d'être (Scottish independence) and became a UK party I could see them attracting a lot of votes across all nations. A lot of their policies would be very popular IMO, no idea if they could deliver on them but that would hardly be a paradigm shift in UK politics would it

The neo-liberal ones being rejected across the north? You don't know anything about the SNP or its policies do you?

 

[DairyQueen]

Well, it's certainly more acceptable now - maybe your nationalism is more exclusive. But it doesn't really matter how well popular "the english" is for it to be pointed as as vile idiocy. "the english" ffs.

I can see your problem. I think it is less of an issue in Scotland, since there is only a small number of people here (I would have liked to have seen even further devolution post-independence). The idea of nations, or communities (defined by spatial proximity), are integral to the cohesiveness of successful progressive movements, even the CNT (or the EU in its post-war peace/consensus building).

The concept of a nation is fluid, I grant you, but surely any successful progressive movement would have to start with some sort of understanding that decentralisation of power would have to occur on the basis of regional identity as opposed to social class, which will be sparsely spread.

The problem is that in England, with such a large number of people there is no way to devolve power. The concept of England as some homogeneous blob is ludicrous I grant you. The fact the North East rejected a parliament was disastrous, okay it was a neoliberal fudge to make it look like Wales and Scotland were not special cases and we were really all proud Brits. However, it was a chance to weaken the power of the central government.