SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
It would be a Lada, they are based on 1970s Fiat 124.
Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Good currency. See brogdale's post above.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
america isnt really after mexico or canada and most of its b52s go off to bomb brown people rather than troll people.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
The real reason does not matter, the world view outside Russia will be that Putin had him taken out. Few will bother with an in depth study of the situation in Russia as it is now.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
genuine question, but is that not an unreasonable view to take?
certainly there could be half a dozen other potential causes that make the Kremlin entirely innocent - mistaken identity, robbery gone wrong, outraged husband etc.. but if i assumed that the most likely, by some margin, cause was either the Kremlins' (at arms length) involvement, or just the atmosphere of intolorence to any opposition fostered by the Kremlin, and carried out by some lone-wolf nationalist loon thinking he's doing Mother Russias' work, why should i be way off the mark?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Yup, basically it comes down to which conspiracy theory one prefers, the one where a political dissident is gunned down in the street by the state... or the one where a political dissident is gunned down in the street to frame the state by a third party. Fact could always be none related to either theory but then still the question is what will be made of the killing?
Personally I think a state gunning down dissidents in the street can only be seen as a sign of weakness. A government like Vladimir Putins would deal with undesirables "legally", let alone government that enjoys his popularity in Russia. I think this idea that it's to make an example to others sounds like a bit of a stretch, I'm sure in Russian they react to that the same as when they see Russian gangster stereotypes portrayed in Hollywood movies.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
It may be weakness or even lawlessness but a lot of opposition figures seem to meet untimely deaths. A lot just end up in jail of course, simply because they are found to be corrupt.
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Putin is so perfect for his role that he could play himself in a film & he has used tv in Russia very effectively. Its difficult to imagine that he does not have blood on his hands on this. Its certainly possible though that Nemtsov could have just shagged the wrong Oligarches wife. Even if the culprits are apprehended which is unlikely it makes a better story if Putin's involvement is suspected but everything else could be subplots in the same story. Not that long ago Russia appeared to be opening up to the west & now it's all going cold war again. To me this is reading like a cold war spy novel, the plot is better than fiction & I doubt the truth will ever be known.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Nice. Ever considered anger management?
You asked "Why is it unfortunate that he was shot?"
So bit of a stupid bloody question really...
not-bono-ever
meh
It would be a Lada, they are based on 1970s Fiat 124.
I think it is more to do with the Baby Dianas death...
TBF all murders tend to be a bit suspicious.
So what - just because something is not unfortunate, does not mean it's fortunate.
Nemtsov's murder is just another example of oligarchic thieves feuding it means nothing more than that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Being (former) leader of an outfit calling itself Сою́з Пра́вых Сил doesn't deepen my well of grief tbh. Culling neo-liberal stooges has a certain appeal.
little_legs
Поехали!
I know it's inappropriate, but I laughed so hard at this. You bastard.
It was like reading a review of an Akunin book.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i don't know what you expect to gain from any answer to this question.
so you don't subscribe to the 'there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers' school of thought.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
He was a believer in the neoliberal economic reforms that devastated Russia socially, sharpened inequality to insane levels and helped create the situation he and his fellow liberals found themselves opposing a few years later (those earlier organised criminal interests now tied to a stronger government and state).
He rose to prominence during the dying days of the Soviet Union and oversaw the privatisation of industry and the creation of new small businesses in Nizhny Novgorod in the following years, his constituency being the people balanced between the new small businesses of shop owners and other services locally and the connected former Soviet bureaucracy who had been in control of the heavy industrial enterprises of Soviet times (this became useful to him when police and state security would undermine his rivals in the city and surrounding area (oblast) while presenting himself as someone who had been the victim of such forces while a Communist Party-opposing democrat).
He was seen for a time as a champion (regional rather than national government) of those interests, the frustrated nascent petit-bourgeois class wanting to be big bourgeois class who nevertheless did not too badly out of the reforms (misery for many millions of others) but bullied by bigger criminal fish connected to the central government.
The elitist liberals are also frustrated by the considerable support Putin still gets.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/01/boris-nemtsov-murdered-politician-march-moscow
Those dumb provincials, and their long memories of poverty and insecurity. I think he'll be disappointed. They have no chance, which is good in one sense, but people still vote for Putin in large numbers. It's those who lost out by being screwed by Nemtsov's supporters and the big oligarchs where you need to look for future political change, the thick proles whose support the liberals Nemstsov represented need to have any political relevance but despise at the same time. Fuck him and them.
He rose to prominence during the dying days of the Soviet Union and oversaw the privatisation of industry and the creation of new small businesses in Nizhny Novgorod in the following years, his constituency being the people balanced between the new small businesses of shop owners and other services locally and the connected former Soviet bureaucracy who had been in control of the heavy industrial enterprises of Soviet times (this became useful to him when police and state security would undermine his rivals in the city and surrounding area (oblast) while presenting himself as someone who had been the victim of such forces while a Communist Party-opposing democrat).
He was seen for a time as a champion (regional rather than national government) of those interests, the frustrated nascent petit-bourgeois class wanting to be big bourgeois class who nevertheless did not too badly out of the reforms (misery for many millions of others) but bullied by bigger criminal fish connected to the central government.
The elitist liberals are also frustrated by the considerable support Putin still gets.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/01/boris-nemtsov-murdered-politician-march-moscow
Those dumb provincials, and their long memories of poverty and insecurity. I think he'll be disappointed. They have no chance, which is good in one sense, but people still vote for Putin in large numbers. It's those who lost out by being screwed by Nemtsov's supporters and the big oligarchs where you need to look for future political change, the thick proles whose support the liberals Nemstsov represented need to have any political relevance but despise at the same time. Fuck him and them.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
That you Vova?
rekil
to menny cranks
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
So the Communists are Russia's UKIP!
I don't think it would be unfortunate if you and your children died
framed
Leave it!
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
No, no, no. The form is "Can no-one rid me of this troublesome poster?". Y'know, if you are serious about it, manning your keyboard barricade.
Andrew Hertford
Chocolate Jesus
Nice. Care to explain?
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
Mark Ames is a shit (and his paper was an execrable mess - by so obviously being a bunch of misogynistic Hunter S.Thompson wannabees, any real criticism they made of the Yeltsin era and what came after could be written off and ignored).
But this piece on Nemtsov skewers the reality behind his killing (and come on, it was most likely the wily Putin who gave the order):
http://pando.com/2015/03/02/boris-nemtsov-death-of-a-russian-liberal/
But this piece on Nemtsov skewers the reality behind his killing (and come on, it was most likely the wily Putin who gave the order):
http://pando.com/2015/03/02/boris-nemtsov-death-of-a-russian-liberal/
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youngian
Well-Known Member
Not necessarily blaming Putin directly but fingering shadowy gangster politics and business forces which rely on Kremlin patronage. Just why these naive Westerners come up with these ideas is a mystery. No doubt a benevolent father of the nation like Putin will stop at nothing to find the smoking gun and produce a suspect.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Only talk of 'satire' in that article butchersapron posted up about censorship, not just being nasty pricks taking shit loads of drugs (Oh, that's naughty, do your mum and dad know?) and fucking (and mocking) teenage 'sluts' after picking them up in nightclubs.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
That side of their behaviour came across more strongly in the actual hardcopy newspaper, not so much on their website.
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