My wife's brothers wife has bought us a few. I don't know why.
Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion
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kittyP
Pluviophile
I think a lot of parents are either unaware/disbelieving or don't care what a cunt he is.
His quite a big celebrity in a British Saturday night TV kind of way.
I've tried to explain to my sister but she thinks I'm making a fuss about nothing.
Thankfully oldest niece doesn't actually have any of his books and me and my mum buy her loads of books so hopefully she won't find time for them
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
So many blocked Dwyer messages I got confused which thread I was in. It's been a long week.
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Storm Fox
Trying the find the next noun to verb
He's my first.So many blocked Dwyer messages I got confused which thread I was in. It's been a long week.
[shakes fist at phildwyer
publishers pay loads of money for his books, then spend loads of money on PR.
a_chap
When the world came apart, where were you?
He's certainly got a nerve.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
But he's not humerus
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
MY BRANES! 
I'm responsible for expanding this thread, via Keith Lemon, Shooting Stars and on to Vegas. Somehow had it in my head that this had become the all purpose 'abuse in the entertainment industry' thread, whereas that still exists:
www.urban75.net
That's all a bit
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Anyway, I think it still makes sense to keep some of those cases in view when discussing Brand. The Vegas case seems particularly relevant, vile as it was, because it was an assault carried on as part of a performance. I don't remember specific instances with Brand, but I get the impression he has imposed himself on women within his performance (landed in their lap and worse). The discussion around the Vegas case, that I've mentioned (a very long discussion in the Guardian comments) was also quite telling in that he had his defenders. Ditto people like Lemon, getting away with abusive behaviour. Suppose my point is that none of this was part of some wild liberatory experimental comedy (to say the least). It was sexist and worse and firmly rooted in misogyny. Nasty stuff in modern clothes. an alliance between neoliberal culture and gender inequality.
I'm responsible for expanding this thread, via Keith Lemon, Shooting Stars and on to Vegas. Somehow had it in my head that this had become the all purpose 'abuse in the entertainment industry' thread, whereas that still exists:
Rape, sexual assault and harassment in the entertainment industry
It’s really not. I resent your attempt at irreverence. Cute. And 17 likes too. A born winner. Fuck right off with your trolling. Thread ban and if I see any more of your trolling shit today, it's going to be permanent.
www.urban75.net
That's all a bit
.Anyway, I think it still makes sense to keep some of those cases in view when discussing Brand. The Vegas case seems particularly relevant, vile as it was, because it was an assault carried on as part of a performance. I don't remember specific instances with Brand, but I get the impression he has imposed himself on women within his performance (landed in their lap and worse). The discussion around the Vegas case, that I've mentioned (a very long discussion in the Guardian comments) was also quite telling in that he had his defenders. Ditto people like Lemon, getting away with abusive behaviour. Suppose my point is that none of this was part of some wild liberatory experimental comedy (to say the least). It was sexist and worse and firmly rooted in misogyny. Nasty stuff in modern clothes. an alliance between neoliberal culture and gender inequality.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have approved of that incident at the time, I didnt hear anything about it when it happened although I was overseas for most of 2008. I feel pretty sick after reading that article and take back anything positive I ever said about the guy. Fucking awful stuff.Just catching up with this thread. Fucking hell, that Jonny Vagus thing.
Different times though weren't it, 2008
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I know I'm repeating myself now, but it was astonishing that there was (longstanding) debate about it at the time. And 2008 isn't that long ago. A sexual assault carried out on stage, with members of the audience co-opted to help.
At one level I'm not that surprised, given the amount of sexual violence and harassment that women still face. But it's at a moment like this that you see how much of it has also been sat there on full display in TV/comedy/entertainment. This - and this being these extremes right through to all the verbal stuff - isn't an aberration, it's the actual product. Vegas might have been an unravelling drunken mess, but that's what the various programmes and promoters were booking. Ditto Brand.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Nor is it about scarfs
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I tried to watch the Dispatches thing this afternoon but I couldn’t get past the “routine” they opened with. I had never seen his stand up before. I was only aware of him as a personality at the time. Jesus, that stuff is pretty hard to hear. I didn’t need to hear any more after that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. you missed the boat on that one - you really want to make that point to Joe Chi Min, who introduced scarfs to the thread. but you can't because he's been banned.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
There’s a story in the ST today - an extremely unpleasant expose of Hamish Ogston - a man apparently of great means accused of abusing trafficked women in the worst ways while making great donations to women’s education charities. More smokescreen behaviour. Seems Brand is just one in a series of such stories. 
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
CBE - and his children will get nothing when he dies Hamish Ogston CBE | Hamish Ogston Entrepreneur and PhilanthropistThere’s a story in the ST today - an extremely unpleasant expose of Hamish Ogston - a man apparently of great means accused of abusing trafficked women in the worst ways while making great donations to women’s education charities. More smokescreen behaviour. Seems Brand is just one in a series of such stories.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
Times is a paywall but here’s another link
Hamish Ogston sex scandal: Millionaire accused of concealing sex workers as 'bamboo basket weavers'
Hamish Ogston, one of Britain's richest persons, has been accused of exploiting vulnerable sex workers from Southeast Asia. A swathe of documents, details of which were first reported by The Times newspaper, suggest Ogston's involvement in trafficking Thai and Filipina sex workers, hosting...
www.wionews.com
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
You can access the Times story hereTimes is a paywall but here’s another link
Hamish Ogston sex scandal: Millionaire accused of concealing sex workers as 'bamboo basket weavers'
Hamish Ogston, one of Britain's richest persons, has been accused of exploiting vulnerable sex workers from Southeast Asia. A swathe of documents, details of which were first reported by The Times newspaper, suggest Ogston's involvement in trafficking Thai and Filipina sex workers, hosting...www.wionews.com
Lurdan
old wave
Times have also done a profile of Ogston
Who is Hamish Ogston, the tycoon philanthropist in sex worker immigration scandal? (archived)
Who is Hamish Ogston, the tycoon philanthropist in sex worker immigration scandal? (archived)
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Surely anyone involved in a sex worker immigration scandal can't really be described as a philanthropist
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
If you define philanthropy in the modern meaning of giving money away, he's a philanthropist.
If you want to get all etymological and say that it's someone who loves humanity, I don't think there are many such people out there. Although many would claim to be.
If you want to get all etymological and say that it's someone who loves humanity, I don't think there are many such people out there. Although many would claim to be.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
Reading between the lines, I’ve got a pretty good idea what the “extreme sex acts” involved are and, if I’m right, it’s some of the worst misogyny imaginable.
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seeformiles
Lost in the wood
Shows how greasing the right palms puts you in exalted company and (if the ST investigation is correct) stops the police investigating your activities. Savile all over again.
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
Jesus. What an absolute scumbag.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Thanks. Wiki are up with events: Hamish Ogston - Wikipedia
They also give an account of the CPP mis-selling scandal.
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