Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[phildwyer]

Oh I don't know, a spot of Malleus Maleficorum might be just the ticket.

Oh Gawd, Pickers will be all over this one. He loves this crap.

 

[bimble]

My tiny girl-brain is just spinning out here, trying to absorb all these wisdoms. I'd best just put the kettle on eh. .

 

[TikkiB]

I think you just described the difference pretty accurately. Personally I'd put it like this:

Traditional Patriarch: women are delicate creatures in need of male guidance and protection.
Roosh: women are dirty sluts and filthy whores in need of a good fucking.

Neither is good. But the second is worst.

Or rather:
Traditional Patriarch: nice women are delicate creatures in need of male guidance and protection, naughty women are dirty sluts who exist solely for men to fuck.
Roosh: ditto.

fixed for you.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Traditional Patriarch: women are delicate creatures in need of male guidance and protection...

Dispensing some guidance, no doubt.

 

[phildwyer]

Or rather:
Traditional Patriarch: nice women are delicate creatures in need of male guidance and protection, naughty women are dirty sluts who exist solely for men to fuck.
Roosh: ditto.

fixed for you.

Ha, if only. Have you actually read Roosh's verbiage? He does not believe in nice women.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think you just described the difference pretty accurately. Personally I'd put it like this:

Traditional Patriarch: women are delicate creatures in need of male guidance and protection.
Roosh: women are dirty sluts and filthy whores in need of a good fucking.

Neither is good. But the second is worst.

are you sure that t.p. really the way saudis see women? or the way they're treated in afghanistan?

 

[bimble]

Ha, if only. Have you actually read Roosh's verbiage? He does not believe in nice women.

Not even his sister? I think that essay that made him famous began with a bit about how he has a sister who he would prefer was not raped.

Anyway, I've concluded that the man is a complete lost it certifiable loon, and that all this stuff about him heading a movement of some kind is just us buying into his own delusion.
On the other hand I do reckon there's something going on with the internet and its manosphere & MRAs which definitely does deserve thinking about, as in it has real causes and is a meaningful social phenomenon.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Anyway, I've concluded that the man is a complete lost it certifiable loon, and that all this stuff about him heading a movement of some kind is just us buying into his own delusion.

Yes, I suspect this as well. An organised, internet-savvy, and energetic loon can make a lot of noise.

 

[bimble]

Yes, I suspect this as well. An organised, internet-savvy, and energetic loon can make a lot of noise.

Yep. Sound and fury.

 

[8den]

Please don't scare Dywer off, I'm simply dying to know about his solution to misogyny.

 

[phildwyer]

are you sure that t.p. really the way saudis see women? or the way they're treated in afghanistan?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your ignorance by now. But to suggest that the oppression suffered by women in Saudi or Afghanistan is the same as Roosh is remarkably dense even by your standards. What do you imagine would happen to a Saudi man who expressed the following views:

"Women are receptacles for cock, that’s how we have been biologically designed. Nothing feels better to us than being completely filled up with multiple penises, than being the center of sexual attention, than being the object of unbridled group lust. Since it’s something we can’t risk doing on our home turf (don’t shit where you eat), we have to think outside the box, in order to get our boxes completely satisfied. And you might find this shocking, but many women – many, many women – have sex with dogs on a routine basis. This is just one example of how insatiable we truly are."

http://www.returnofkings.com/78898/9-secrets-about-female-nature-told-by-a-hot-girl-dying-of-cancer

The truth is that such opinions are completely and utterly beyond the pale in traditional patriarchies. The could not even be conceived under such circumstances, let alone expressed.

 

[phildwyer]

Please don't scare Dywer off, I'm simply dying to know about his solution to misogyny.

Oh that. That's easy. Lesbian Separatism. Job's a good 'un.

 

[Pickman's model]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your ignorance by now. But to suggest that the oppression suffered by women in Saudi or Afghanistan is the same as Roosh is remarkably dense even by your standards. What do you imagine would happen to a Saudi man who expressed the following views:

"Women are receptacles for cock, that’s how we have been biologically designed. Nothing feels better to us than being completely filled up with multiple penises, than being the center of sexual attention, than being the object of unbridled group lust. Since it’s something we can’t risk doing on our home turf (don’t shit where you eat), we have to think outside the box, in order to get our boxes completely satisfied. And you might find this shocking, but many women – many, many women – have sex with dogs on a routine basis. This is just one example of how insatiable we truly are."

http://www.returnofkings.com/78898/9-secrets-about-female-nature-told-by-a-hot-girl-dying-of-cancer

The truth is that such opinions are completely and utterly beyond the pale in traditional patriarchies. The could not even be conceived under such circumstances, let alone expressed.

please read my posts before making a fool of yourself again.

 

[8den]

Oh that. That's easy. Lesbian Separatism. Job's a good 'un.

And how will that fix young men?

 

[Athos]

The dichotomy is not between "western" and "eastern," but between "traditional" and "postmodern."

I do believe that postmodern misogyny--as incarnated by Roosh--is worse than traditional patriarchy. It's more clearly psychotic and delusional, and it's more open in its hatred and contempt for women. Roosh is perfectly candid in his view of women as the enemy.

And in one of history's more pungent ironies, postmodern misogyny is made possible by the decline of traditional patriarchy. Not that traditional patriarchy is good, you understand, but it's preferable to its successor.

Come off it Phil. What about women in rural Pakistan being stoned to death? For their own protection, or because they're hated for daring to elude male control?

 

[bimble]

And how will that fix young men?

By not producing any more of em. job done.

 

[phildwyer]

Not even his sister? I think that essay that made him famous began with a bit about how he has a sister who he would prefer was not raped.

I was not aware of his sister, maybe you've delved deeper than I have. Her position is profoundly unenviable.

Anyway, I've concluded that the man is a complete lost it certifiable loon, and that all this stuff about him heading a movement of some kind is just us buying into his own delusion.
On the other hand I do reckon there's something going on with the internet and its manosphere & MRAs which definitely does deserve thinking about, as in it has real causes and is a meaningful social phenomenon.

I think these two sentences contradict each other. Perhaps we could quibble about the distinction between "movement" and "social phenomenon." But the fact is that something new is afoot here, and it bears watching. At least.

 

[phildwyer]

And how will that fix young men?

By rendering women impervious to their loathsome attentions.

 

[Athos]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your ignorance by now. But to suggest that the oppression suffered by women in Saudi or Afghanistan is the same as Roosh is remarkably dense even by your standards. What do you imagine would happen to a Saudi man who expressed the following views:

"Women are receptacles for cock, that’s how we have been biologically designed. Nothing feels better to us than being completely filled up with multiple penises, than being the center of sexual attention, than being the object of unbridled group lust. Since it’s something we can’t risk doing on our home turf (don’t shit where you eat), we have to think outside the box, in order to get our boxes completely satisfied. And you might find this shocking, but many women – many, many women – have sex with dogs on a routine basis. This is just one example of how insatiable we truly are."

http://www.returnofkings.com/78898/9-secrets-about-female-nature-told-by-a-hot-girl-dying-of-cancer

The truth is that such opinions are completely and utterly beyond the pale in traditional patriarchies. The could not even be conceived under such circumstances, let alone expressed.

Yes, becuase it's a society that hates sexual liberalism, not becasue it doesn't also hate women.

 

[bimble]

the fact is that something new is afoot here, and it bears watching. At least.

Yep, I agree, something is definitely going on. Just saying that the ravings of roosh & others on that extreme loony end of the spectrum should not be given the credence that they have been: I really don't think there's a significant 'movement' of men who have those feelings when they see a woman walking her dog in the park.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes, becuase it's a society that hates sexual liberalism, not becasue it doesn't also hate women.

It doesn't openly hate women. It doesn't seethe with undisguised contempt for every female on the planet. It doesn't scream and shout about how vile and disgusting female sexuality is. It doesn't claim that women have sex with dogs.

Roosh does all of the above. Voila la differance.

 

[Pickman's model]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your ignorance by now. But to suggest that the oppression suffered by women in Saudi or Afghanistan is the same as Roosh is remarkably dense even by your standards. What do you imagine would happen to a Saudi man who expressed the following views:

"Women are receptacles for cock, that’s how we have been biologically designed. Nothing feels better to us than being completely filled up with multiple penises, than being the center of sexual attention, than being the object of unbridled group lust. Since it’s something we can’t risk doing on our home turf (don’t shit where you eat), we have to think outside the box, in order to get our boxes completely satisfied. And you might find this shocking, but many women – many, many women – have sex with dogs on a routine basis. This is just one example of how insatiable we truly are."

http://www.returnofkings.com/78898/9-secrets-about-female-nature-told-by-a-hot-girl-dying-of-cancer

The truth is that such opinions are completely and utterly beyond the pale in traditional patriarchies. The could not even be conceived under such circumstances, let alone expressed.

only someone who is either blinkered and/or stupid could create a binary of 'traditional patriarchy' and 'post-modern misogyny'. it's clearly more complex than that - patriarchy as experienced in e.g. the united kingdom is very different from that experienced in e.g. yemen or bhutan. it's not a or b, what about the remainder of the alphabet?

 

[bimble]

By rendering women impervious to their loathsome attentions.

Reminds me of this - these women have figured something out it seems. Particularly liked this bit:
"Curiously, for an all-woman village, there seems to be a lot of children around. How does this happen? “Ah,” laughs a young woman, “we still like men. They are not allowed here, but we want babies and women have to have children, even if you are unmarried.”
The village where men are banned

 

[phildwyer]

Yep, I agree, something is definitely going on. Just saying that the ravings of roosh & others on that extreme loony end of the spectrum should be given the credence that they have been, I really don't think there's a significant 'movement' of men who have those feelings when they see a woman walking her dog in the park.

You know what's really scary though?

I don't think Roosh is the "extreme loony end of the spectrum." I think that place of dishonor is occupied by the likes of George Sodini and Elliot Rodgers. And I think there's more of them than there used to be, a lot more.

The role of the internet in this is a fascinating question: is it a cause, a facilitator or a reflection? Probably all three I suppose. Maybe such men always existed but didn't have a forum. But then again, maybe the existence of the forum increases their numbers and confirms their opinions. I will decide this matter shortly and inform you of my decision as soon as convenience allows.

 

[Athos]

It doesn't openly hate women. It doesn't seethe with undisguised contempt for every female on the planet. It doesn't scream and shout about how vile and disgusting female sexuality is. It doesn't claim that women have sex with dogs.

Roosh does all of the above. Voila la differance.

The dog thing is particularly bonkers, but Saudi clerics have said said their fair share of bonkers things, including that women only watch football to lust after men, and that driving damages their ovaries. And they have a legal and social system that is deeply contemptous of women.

Ultimately, I'm quite willing to accept that their methods are different, and that they're reacted to differently by the societies of which they're part. But, I don't accept that there is a qualitative difference in their misogyny - both hate women becuase they can't control them.

 

[8den]

By rendering women impervious to their loathsome attentions.

Yeah Dwyer some of these men are adovacting rape, and I think you'll find the thing about rapists is that they don't really care if the woman rejects them sexual.

Thats leaving aside the fact that you want to change the sexual orientation of half the planet.

Never has this image been more apt.

 

[bimble]

both hate women because they can't control them.

Yep. What's happening is that the nature of the control over women's sexuality that's desired now is different; it's no longer all about making sure that your son - who stands to inherit your farm - is definitely your son, etc.

 

[phildwyer]

Thats leaving aside the fact that you want to change the sexual orientation of half the planet.

By turning women into Lesbians you mean? I'm working on it.

 

[bimble]

By turning women into Lesbians you mean? I'm working on it.

You're doing a good job i must say.

 

[Pickman's model]

Please don't scare Dywer off, I'm simply dying to know about his solution to misogyny.

he doesn't have one, he's just waving his phallacy about in his attempt to set the terms of the debate.