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Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

But he can't. So, as things stand, more harm is done to Saudi women by Saudi Arabia's culture of miisogyny, and that exists notwithstanding the fact that there's no widespread absenteeism of fathers.

So, phildwyer your case is that there's a qualitiative difference between misogyny and a hatred of women, and that the latter is more likley to be caused by greater exposure to women than to men i.e. being raised exclusively by a woman?

My case is that there's a qualitative difference between traditional patriarchy and the kind of Western misogyny represented by Roosh.

Also that this difference is (partly) the consequence of many Western young men being deprived of paternal influence in adolescence.

Put another way: Roosh represents a ratcheting up of misogyny, to the point where the word "misogyny" seems inadequate to describe it. It's a whole other level of woman-hating, and an entirely different breed. This kind of open contempt for women would be impossible in a society with a strong family structure.
 
My case is that there's a qualitative difference between traditional patriarchy and the kind of Western misogyny represented by Roosh.

Also that this difference is (partly) the consequence of many Western young men being deprived of paternal influence in adolescence.

Put another way: Roosh represents a ratcheting up of misogyny, to the point where the word "misogyny" seems inadequate to describe it. It's a whole other level of woman-hating, and an entirely different breed. This kind of open contempt for women would be impossible in a society with a strong family structure.

So, eastern misogyny is caused by a culture of fatherhood i.e. patriarchy, and western misogyny is casused by a culture of a lack of fatherhood. But eastern misogyny is better.
 
So, eastern misogyny is caused by a culture of fatherhood i.e. patriarchy, and western misogyny is casused by a culture of a lack of fatherhood. But eastern misogyny is better.

Pretty much.

I have to go away for a bit now. But if I can be bothered, I will return later to explain how I think misogyny can be eliminated altogether.
 
Perhaps. That doesn't stop a steady stream of rich Saudis from coming over to Britain and other places to do more or less what you describe. They may not write about it, but they certainly do it.

When I was a student I saw quite a bit of that from foreign students from that part of the world. They behaved like kids let loose in a pussy shop. Some of them left a string of single mothers and fatherless children along behind them.
 
*DRYHEAVE*

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You could argue that it begins even earlier, and has developmental effects in infants and toddlers. IIRC Piaget (or one of his students) drew some (very) broad conclusions of developmental effects regarding largely-absent/absent fathers, although that was with reference to soldier fathers, I think.
I have to say that, as a general observation, I've seen the "influential age" for so many emotional disorders/maladaptive behaviours drop and drop. Bowlby probably had it about right with his attachment theories and the notion that a lot of the associated behaviours are enshrined in the infant mind prior to six months.

It seems to me, though, that what drives a lot of this MRA guff isn't so much the underlying lack of consideration for women, or attitudes to sex (though obviously both are factors, too), as the overweening sense of entitlement that so many of its followers seem to carry with them: "I'm not getting enough/any sex, and I am entitled to it - you [chosen target woman] must therefore provide it."

I think the "nice guy" act is all part of that - these people grudgingly play the game by "being nice" as much as anything to prove their pre-conviction that it won't cut any ice. Which of course it usually doesn't, because most of us can spot someone being inauthentic fairly easily: so when it doesn't "work" (ie, smarming up to women isn't getting them laid), they then proclaim that the only way is "treat 'em mean and keep 'em keen", since they obviously don't appreciate nice guys.
 
When I was a student I saw quite a bit of that from foreign students from that part of the world. They behaved like kids let loose in a pussy shop. Some of them left a string of single mothers and fatherless children along behind them.

I just knew that post would be controversial with this lot . I think your supposed to say " fanny shop " this side of the pond .
 
here's some more pearls of wisdom from Roosh


"In the past I’ve shared warning signs when a girl will “disappoint” you in some way. I’ve discovered some other more serious infractions based on the way she interacts with you.

In the movie A Bronx’s Tale, a mafia don teaches a young man that after a girl gets in his car, she should lean over and unlock his door to be considered a keeper. Here’s the scene:
While my warning signs aren’t tests, they say a lot about the worthiness of a girl for long-term relationships. If a girl does any of these, dump her.

1. Changing your music without first asking for permission. The first thing I do when get a girl over to my shack is put on some music. Depending on the mood I’m trying to set, I’ll go with something like Passion Pit, The Weeknd, or Vanessa da Mata. As I’m making drinks, if she goes to the laptop, cuts off my music, then pulls up some whack-ass shit on YouTube, she’s only getting fucked that night and never again. Even though she wants to play “this one song,” I cut her crap off and put mine back on. I say, “If you wanted to listen to your music you should’ve invited me to your place.”

2. Giving you unsolicited advice. I don’t care if I have the most obvious problem in the world that can be solved with baking soda, but if I don’t ask you for help or at least show I’m open to receiving help, then shut the fuck up. You’re not my mom and you’re not someone who has more life experience than me, so spare me your harebrained ideas for solving a man’s real problems.

3. Saying “you should.” There is absolutely no reason for a girl to tell a man “you should…” ever. It insinuates that not only are you currently doing something wrong, but that she knows more than you, which is extremely unlikely. She is free to say, “Have you thought of…” or “What do you think about…” but the moment she brings out the word “should,” a synonym of “must,” I know she’s a arrogant cunt who thinks she knows more than she really does. The only things I should or must do are pay my taxes and die.

4. Not apologizing when she texts or takes a call in your presence. If I’m on a first or second date with a girl, and she starts reading texts, sending texts, or actually taking a call without excusing herself first, she will never see me again. Even the most conceited bitches will let off an “Excuse me I have to take this real quick.” Otherwise she doesn’t deserve another meeting with you, even if she puts out and turns out to be okay in bed. You let a girl disrespect you like this and you might as well hand her your balls.

5. Asking you to postpone your orgasm so she can gain more pleasure. If you’re about to bust your nut and a girl does tells you “No” or “Wait,” she’s an inconsiderate slut who is now causing you direct harm. A man’s nut is sacred, and for her to impede that should be criminal. I’m serious. One time a girl postponed my nut and then I lost it completely. I couldn’t get it back and I was left with minor groin pain. I never contacted her again.

6. Not urging you to continue pumping even if it’s starting to hurt her. I’ll tell you what love is: when a girl begs you to keep going even though you know she already came, even though she’s drying up, and even though you know it’s causing her pain. If she tells you to stop the millisecond after she gets her nut, without you getting yours, I want you to tell her that the point of having sex with women is so a man doesn’t have to use his hand, and that she has performed below the hand. That’s why we do all this shit to fuck women—to get our nut. If she can’t do that for us, then she’s useless as a living being.

Let go of girls who show arrogance, disrespect, or selfishness. Depending on the severity of her offense she may still be worth one fuck, but other than that you’re a chump if continue seeing girls who display these anti-feminine traits. The sad truth is that most of this list was developed in Scandinavia, where my hand was much more enjoyable than most of the girls I ended up in bed with."
 
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