Roger Waters self indulgent twat / not self indulgent twat

[The39thStep]

Careful with that Axe , Eugene .

 

[Wilf]

Set the Controls for the Heart of the Plum.

 

[Raheem]

Another Prick In a Hall

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I'd like to see him do an album with Philip Schofield.

Wish you were queer

 

[Idris2002]

A giant inflatable gopher floats over Battersea power station.

 

[savoloysam]

Careful with that Axe , Eugene .

I prefer "Come in number 51" (the original version that appears on Zabriskie Point)

 

[Knotted]

Really don’t get what people hear in Pink Floyd. It’s just turgid pompous adolescent nonsense to me.

My thinking is that that's a product of Roger Waters being the most dominant personality in the band and that's basically his character. The quieter, less self confident but musically intelligent Rick Wright wrote some interesting and quite subdued songs which I guess match his character but then it takes a Roger Waters type to make it as a rock star. (Similarly Sid Barrett was pretty full of himself in his own, more eccentric, way.)

If there's one Pink Floyd song you should check out it's Paint Box, it's a B side to an early single and it's all very basic musician and quite poppy but it's a really colourful and well put together song. Using the textures available to a rock combo to the maximum effect. A dreamy take on a slice of life.

I can't stop obsessing about PF even though I sort of hate them.

 

[Karl Masks]

Is he anti-capitalist though? He hates WW2 and how the post war consensus has been eroded in the years since. But he isn’t really giving his money away (geddit?) or arguing against how well he’s doing.

How does that mean he's not against capitalism?

 

[seeformiles]

I prefer "Come in number 51" (the original version that appears on Zabriskie Point)

Pedant here. “Axe” predates that version by 2 years so “51” is the remake. They were fond of giving it various other titles around that time esp. if doing performances for radio E.g. one Peel session has it listed as “Murderistic Woman”.

 

[pug]

ill summarise what he says in the video:

The Wall is an antifascist/antiauthoritarian piece of work he has been performing much the same way for 40 years straight

The names of the dead flashed up include someone from every city/country he is touring in killed by oppressive state forces. When in the US he includes someone from that particular state

The star of david on the pig thing was one of numerous religious symbols all on the same pig - religious and also political - hammer and sickle was on there - he decided to remove the star of david after complaints but other religious symbols, the christian cross, the islamic crescent etc remain

The german courts found nothing objectionable

Israel is an apartheid state and it is supporters of the apartheid state that are behind the move to get him cancelled

He will never stop defending the rights of Palestinians, a cause he took up after visiting Palestine in 2009

i think thats basically it

I stopped watching it when he said the phrase 'fake news'

 

[Nanker Phelge]

It's not fake, it's just bollocks.

 

[Elpenor]

Listened to the pros and cons of hitchhiking. Not bad. Not great on a first listen, the second half of the album felt quite good though. Maybe it needs a few goes.

Think PF at their peak (whenever that was - a whole other thread - far exceeded the sum of their individual parts). Solo stuff exposes the weaknesses which for Waters isn’t a particularly good singing voice

 

[Elpenor]

Dark side of the loon?

One slip, and down the hole we fall

 

[danny la rouge]

Listened to the pros and cons of hitchhiking. Not bad. Not great on a first listen, the second half of the album felt quite good though. Maybe it needs a few goes.

Think PF at their peak (whenever that was - a whole other thread - far exceeded the sum of their individual parts). Solo stuff exposes the weaknesses which for Waters isn’t a particularly good singing voice

I remember my brother bought it when it came out. (He’s a great guy but terrible taste in music. He liked Yes, too). Even then I thought it was a tacky, tasteless and sexist sleeve. (I believe later pressings slightly censor the picture).

I can’t remember ever hearing the music, nor, after seeing the sleeve, ever wanting to.

 

[Elpenor]

I remember my brother bought it when it came out. (He’s a great guy but terrible taste in music. He liked Yes, too). Even then I thought it was a tacky, tasteless and sexist sleeve. (I believe later pressings slightly censor the picture).

I can’t remember ever hearing the music, nor, after seeing the sleeve, ever wanting to.

Blimey - just seen the cover art. Listened via Spotify so I didn’t pick up on that.

 

[savoloysam]

Listened to the pros and cons of hitchhiking. Not bad. Not great on a first listen, the second half of the album felt quite good though. Maybe it needs a few goes.

Think PF at their peak (whenever that was - a whole other thread - far exceeded the sum of their individual parts). Solo stuff exposes the weaknesses which for Waters isn’t a particularly good singing voice

I've always said that him and Gilmour are poles apart as vocalists. Compare, for example Mother and Comfortably Numb where they each interchange on the lead vocals. Gilmour's voice is miles better.

In fact Dave Gilmour probably has the most underrated voice in rock music. He is very very good not necessarily a mega talented singer per see but has a bloody marvelous singing voice.

I've heard that Roger mimes alot on his solo tours now. If that's true that is really embarrassing.

 

[savoloysam]

Listened to the pros and cons of hitchhiking. Not bad. Not great on a first listen, the second half of the album felt quite good though. Maybe it needs a few goes.

Think PF at their peak (whenever that was - a whole other thread - far exceeded the sum of their individual parts). Solo stuff exposes the weaknesses which for Waters isn’t a particularly good singing voice

I used to like that album but don't rate it much now. The first half and the last half of Amused to Death is brilliant imo but there's too much of Roger's droning on to get through the full album.

 

[Elpenor]

I used to like that album but don't rate it much now. The first half and the last half of Amused to Death is brilliant imo but there's too much of Roger's droning on to get through the full album.

Maybe I’ll try amused to death tomorrow

 

[savoloysam]

Maybe I’ll try amused to death tomorrow

My recommendation is to skip forward to "Watching TV" after "The bravery of being out of range" which is what I do when I play it. As a first listen no doubt you'll probably want to hear the whole album.

 

[Knotted]

Roger Waters + Ron Geesin's Music from the Body isn't bad



Not that I'm listening to it now, seeing as I've cancelled RW.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

How does that mean he's not against capitalism?

Can you point to where he says he’s against Capitalism then? Because I don’t recall him ever saying it.

 

[seeformiles]

Roger Waters + Ron Geesin's Music from the Body isn't bad



Not that I'm listening to it now, seeing as I've cancelled RW.

That is a Floyd track (given that they all played on it)

 

[savoloysam]

Can you point to where he says he’s against Capitalism then? Because I don’t recall him ever saying it.

It's in a lot of his music (Money being an obvious contradiction of course)

I have also read an interview with him wherever he claimed to be an "armchair socialist" IE hypocrite. That is unless he is throwing his massive swag bag to charitys and good causes while keep it quiet.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It's in a lot of his music (Money being an obvious contradiction of course)

I have also read an interview with him wherever he claimed to be an "armchair socialist" IE hypocrite. That is unless he is throwing his massive swag bag to charitys and good causes while keep it quiet.

Money is just another of the many concepts he wrote about. It doesn’t make him an anti-capitalist any more than the wall makes him a fascist.

 

[redcogs]

People here too hard on Waters. Just like every other artist he's done good and bad stuff, occasional flash of genius plus some self indulgent shit. He no anti semite. The political and world context has changed around him (he old), but lots of oldies want to hear some of his older 'classics', perhaps leaving him open to attack from utter fuckers on the Right. But they are always seeking to undermine progressives Generally speaking i reckon he questions capitalisms outcomes and so called 'values' in his work. This doesn't make him a socialist/anarchist, but he is surely sympathetic to human decency. i dont listen to him a lot, but sometimes i can find myself bingeing and totally engrossed. Its the latent hippy reawakening. No bad thing in a world so fucked by profit and ecocide and war and general disaster.. Far out man

 

[Orang Utan]

Nah, he’s a Cunt

 

[redcogs]

Forgot to mention a huge plus for hifi enthusiasts btw. Pinko Floyd and Waters have created some stunning soundscapes worthy of attention. Their explosion onto the 'scene man' was seismic, coinciding with advancements in tech that made em well unique. And no, he aint a cunt. Believe me i know plenty cunts, Waters can sometimes be a mild irritation, but thats all.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

He can be and has been a cunt. Cast the first stone and all that.

 

[redcogs]

i like to reserve the cunt description for vile politicos like Sunak and Thatch and BoJo and Clegg and Cameron and Starmer and Kinnock and Blair and Brown and (its a very long list). Waters may have done cuntish things, i dont know, but they wont measure up to the cuntish cynical things being quite deliberately exercised simply for power profit and class. Perspective.

 

[Orang Utan]

He’s a cunt. And his music is shit. And he’s a cunt.
I may have mentioned it before, but I think he’s a cunt.