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Starry Wisdom
there's never one about when you want one'Wave a bus down' Seriously? FFS.
RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
The Met has admitted it didn't do the vetting properly before he transferred over, as they missed an indecent exposure incident linked to a vehicle registered to him.
They also said even if they had linked it, as he wasn't a named suspect, the outcome wouldn't have changed.
Which is just fucking brilliant.
Here's a thought, Metropolitan Police, maybe your vetting process and procedures aren't fit for purpose.
They also said even if they had linked it, as he wasn't a named suspect, the outcome wouldn't have changed.
Which is just fucking brilliant.
Here's a thought, Metropolitan Police, maybe your vetting process and procedures aren't fit for purpose.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
There's no night buses running near me in Glasgow. To be fair I'd flag down a black cab. If there was one.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
There is the Good Lad initiative here in the UK works at uni level. But it's a drop in the ocean and receives nothing compared to the funds put into counter terrorism
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
And - while late is better than never - doing it at uni level is leaving it very late.
But then again, you only have to look at something like the back-to-school haircuts thread to realise what a complete Horlicks schools would make of this kind of training
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Once again its up to the woman to sort out this mess by flagging down a fucking bus (as if!), rather than the MET and the men serving in it'Wave a bus down' Seriously? FFS.
Is Dick even a woman??.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why should bus drivers be expected to police the police anyway? imo any police force which says 'get a bus driver to assist you in dealing with us' should be disbanded and its staff dispersed to other jobs where they can do no harm to the public, feeding birds in the south shetlands for example
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
A woman in what is very, very evidently still very much a man's world.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
she is a woman. but she is also a high-ranking police officer. and it's certainly in this latter capacity that she's failing dismally.
trashpony
Hag
Sarah Everard: Challenge plain-clothes officers, Met Police says Sarah Everard: Challenge plain-clothes officers, Met Police says
Here’s all their brilliant advice
ETA: My first ever contact with the Met was years ago when I was at a demo with my boyfriend and the Met were trying to get us off the road onto the pavement and my boyfriend got knocked back onto the road They arrested him. I had never been to London and didn’t know anyone else here. I was pleading with them to tell me where they were taking him and they told me to ‘shut up you slag or we’ll arrest you too’. Nothing much has changed since then has it?
Here’s all their brilliant advice
ETA: My first ever contact with the Met was years ago when I was at a demo with my boyfriend and the Met were trying to get us off the road onto the pavement and my boyfriend got knocked back onto the road They arrested him. I had never been to London and didn’t know anyone else here. I was pleading with them to tell me where they were taking him and they told me to ‘shut up you slag or we’ll arrest you too’. Nothing much has changed since then has it?
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Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
I'm hoping that when the extent of the Whatsapp messages, the things that were said in police cars, the station, the allegations, the hundreds of sexual assaults that were reported and the probably thousands that were not, and the absolute culture is looked into, she'll get the sack. Bet she doesn't, though.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
That someone would be Priti Patel. I'm not going to be holding my breath.
bimble
floofy
They absolutely knew, his colleagues nicknamed him 'The Rapist' remember, as a funny joke because they knew, knew that he hated women but hey whatever that's quite normal and no big deal.
That is what they need to look at, how that was 'ok'.
No easy answers obvs but it's definitely not a failure of paperwork its much bigger than that.
That is what they need to look at, how that was 'ok'.
No easy answers obvs but it's definitely not a failure of paperwork its much bigger than that.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She's a disgrace. Unable to smell cannabis, apparently. But her comments when she ordered JCdM to be executed should have stopped her career dead in its tracks:
"I think about it quite often. I wish, wish, wish it hadn't happened, of course, but if anything it has made me a better leader, a better police officer and it has made me more resilient."
Killing him made her a better copper? And yeah, walking away with just a promotion and a damehood, can see why that's made her more resilient
Dear women , we're sorry we have some rapists, misogynists and other assorted scumbags working for us. AKA baddons. If you think one of these may be trying to harm you on the pretext of Police work, please, erm... Shout at a bus or something. Or yes, challenge them for ID and ask about their authority. Thanks.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Whilst I can't stand CD she is a woman in charge of men. Instead of being a safe pair of hands and facilitating the closing of ranks this time she needs to act. And act quickly and visibly.
Failure to do anything of meaning will make her incompetence outweigh her usefulness
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The institution we look to to protect and serve us is staffed and managed by thick racist misogynists.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I think that summary is accurate, although you missed the 'you can still trust us, honest' after 'authority'
bimble
floofy
This is good, on how they’re all trying to absolve themselves of responsibility for one of their own & why they must not get away with it.
thecritic.co.uk
Sarah Everard: The police must be held to account | Tom Farr | The Critic Magazine
On Thursday 30 September, more than six months after the harrowing murder of Sarah Everard, Police Constable Wayne Couzens was sentenced to life in prison, with the tariff being set at a “whole-life…
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I mean, their advice is 'flag down a bus' for fucks sake.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the met police, avoiding accountability for 192 yearsThis is good, on how they’re all trying to absolve themselves of responsibility for one of their own & why they must not get away with it.
Sarah Everard: The police must be held to account | Tom Farr | The Critic Magazine
On Thursday 30 September, more than six months after the harrowing murder of Sarah Everard, Police Constable Wayne Couzens was sentenced to life in prison, with the tariff being set at a “whole-life…
It's so tone deaf and dense isn't it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so serious. 'when the police are the criminals, turn to butler and blakey'
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
She's a monster, gender notwithstanding.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Monsteress
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if actresses are now actors then monstresses are now monsters
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
I'm glad someone remembers the incident. Nobody else seems to.
The subsequent coverup drove Brian Paddick out of the force, a man who seemed to be that rarest of things, a copper with principles, who wouldn't go along with things for the sake of the team. When he ran for London mayor, I thought he'd receive a sizeable chunk of the vote, and maybe even win, given that Livingstone had become an embarrassment and Johnson had never been anything else. But he came nowhere, and we ended up with the idiot who's now
Numbers
an ting!
I've been thinking about this overnight and speaking with my wife, as we have done loads of times - about why I personally was so violent and why/when it stopped.
Things happened when I was young which I later accepted made me very angry to begin, juxtapose that with a very tough boys only school where it was a toxic environment where you had to earn your stripes so to speak, violence was pretty much part of the fabric of the school and town I lived in on a daily basis, including boys against boys, teachers against boys, boys against teachers, corporal punishment, it was just violent. I embraced that wholeheartedly and loved, absolutely loved fighting, I was never a bully but was proud of being tough/tasty. I'd wear black eyes or busted eye sockets, broken noses/jaws like a badge of honour.
I wince to my very core now when I think back on it.
But what made me stop was 2 incidents.
Before my wife and I got together something happened to her by the partner of her sisters best friend, she told me about it as we were getting to know one another, and vice versa I told her things. But it made me so angry even tho' I didn't know him, didn't know her when it happened, it was none of my business except for me to show empathy to her. At a wedding I met him, instantly didn't like him but it didn't bother me enough to want to have a word or anything, until that is he made a comment about another woman there, something to the effect of 'I'd giver her one' - I can't remember exactly. Instantly I saw red mist and chinned him, 1% for that comment but 99% for what he had done years before. Long story short it (my actions) REALLY upset my wife (GF at the time), more than I'd ever seen her upset, until....
A couple of weeks later she was coming to visit me in my flat, she used to come up from Croydon to Ealing to stay for the weekend. This particular evening when she came in to my flat she was visibly distressed and told me what had happened, an unsavoury situation with a random bloke. Once again the red mist kicked in and I immediately went to leave my flat to find him but she tried to stop me and I pushed her onto my bed (fwiw it's the only time I've ever been physical with her) and left the flat, I spent an hour looking for this bloke, totally enraged and god knows what I would have done to him if I had of caught up with him. When I got back she was in tears and still badly shook up - I had left her there on her own in that state when I really should have stayed with her.
It was at that point I changed, it took a long time more to naturally not react, for years after I had to bite my lip/hold my temper in situations. I'm not saying there wasn't any more violence but it was only in situations where I was started on, or attempted robberies on me, that kind of thing.
It took a long time to go from loving violence which was bred into me from early to loathing it through self analysis and the love of my wife.
Bit of an irrelevant post, soz, just been thinking about it because this thread is an eye opener in many ways.
Cid
Proper break this time
It's a tricky tightrope. Barristers are supposed to represent the best interests of their clients, while at the same time obeying the rules of the court (I know you know this, Athos). Nobody's going to like the idea of standing up for someone as loathsome as Sarah's murderer, but I agree with you that, for justice to be served and seen to be served, someone has to be there to speak for him. Which has duly been done, and I note that the judge was careful to acknowledge the defence's role in the running of the trial. And now, at least, the convicted party does not have the figleaf of being able to claim he was badly represented, or that justice was somehow not done in court.
That's well summed up... So I'll tack the most fucked-up thing mentioned when the judge discusses mitigation onto the end of that:
(Paragraph 11)
