RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Magnus McGinty]

Piss off. You're not the victim here. Stop making this about YOU.

I’ve never seen you on an action opposing fascism, Incels or anything else.

 

[spanglechick]

I talk about organising against misogynists like you would fascists and get attacked lol. Logic anyone?

Silly, illogical women.

 

[Glitter]

And it's interesting that there are so many types of predator. Is it that the same childhood experiences are being translated differently and are then acted out differently, is it personality types? And there are different coping strategies that we develop for each, too. The cheerfully wandering hand, the rage that you can feel radiating from someone, the too-competitive anger. You learn to deal with them all in different ways.

I’ve just found out (about an hour ago) that a bloke I used to work with has been sent to prison for two years for using chat rooms to coerce children into sexual things.

This guy was a colleague, not a friend. I never even had drinks after work with him I don’t think. I liked him and thought he was a lovely guy. I’d have said he’d never hurt a fly. I feel really shaken up and upset after finding out this news. I’d have sworn black was white that this guy was one of the good ones. What the fuck do we do when shit like this happens all the fucking time?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Silly, illogical women.

No, women do organise against this stuff. Not you though.

 

[Poot]

I’ve just found out (about an hour ago) that a bloke I used to work with has been sent to prison for two years for using chat rooms to coerce children into sexual things.

This guy was a colleague, not a friend. I never even had drinks after work with him I don’t think. I liked him and thought he was a lovely guy. I’d have said he’d never hurt a fly. I feel really shaken up and upset after finding out this news. I’d have sworn black was white that this guy was one of the good ones. What the fuck do we do when shit like this happens all the fucking time?

Fucking hell. That must be really traumatic. Sorry Glitter.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Can we stop responding to Magnus McGinty please?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Can we stop responding to Magnus McGinty please?

Yeah, stop attacking me and continue with the do fuck all hot air person here.

 

[souljacker]

You know that book that Renni Eddo-Lodge wrote called ‘why I’m no longer talking to white people about race’?

That’s how I feel about talking about misogyny on here. Or actually in mixed sex groups. It’s a waste of my time, my breath, my brainpower. Men need to sort this shit out.

Just so you know, a lot of us are listening and trying.

 

[little_legs]

I really do think there has to be a societal change whereby the automatic assumption that a police officer arresting someone is somehow beyond question shifts to a position whereby any exercise of coercion or control should be up for question. And if the police don't like that idea, perhaps they'd have been better off keeping their own house in order, rather than allowing someone to get away with behaviour that brings the whole edifice into disrepute.

I mean, presumably, dialling 999 and saying "I saw someone who appears to be a policeman bundling someone into a car" ought to be enough for them to fairly quickly ascertain whether it's legit or not. This should have never happened, and I'd be interested what police forces around the country are going to start doing (they've had enough time) to ensure it never happens again.

Banning male police officers from arresting women would be nice a start

 

[Raheem]

Banning male police officers from arresting women would be nice a start

Think the very first thing would be the police actually recognising that there's a problem.

Some police person was on the radio this afternoon and he was asked how the police should respond, organisationally, to what has happened. He answered that there was a pressing need to reassure the public that the vast majority of police officers are wonderful, selfless heroes (almost his actual words).

Even with all the publicity, it seems like this may well get filed away as a sort of freak accident.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Any other cunt want t swear at me for supporting actions against misogyny do so below. Pretty bizarre but given most of you twats do nothing other than whinge on here or Twitter it’s hardly surprising. I point out an actual misogynist that nobody does fuck all about and get attacked. Yeah, you do Jack shit.

 

[editor]

Any other cunt want t swear at me for supporting actions against misogyny do so below. Pretty bizarre but given most of you twats do nothing other than whinge on here or Twitter it’s hardly surprising. I point out an actual misogynist that nobody does fuck all about and get attacked. Yeah, you do Jack shit.

Really not appropriate conduct for this thread, and rightly reported by several posters. You're banned off the thread for a week.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Seriously Magnus just stop, you're embarrassing yourself trying to have the last word.

 

[colacubes]

Any other cunt want t swear at me for supporting actions against misogyny do so below. Pretty bizarre but given most of you twats do nothing other than whinge on here or Twitter it’s hardly surprising. I point out an actual misogynist that nobody does fuck all about and get attacked. Yeah, you do Jack shit.

You are part of the problem. Reflect on it and come back and tell us how you lecturing women about how you monitoring specific incels is somehow more important than discussing our lived experience of misogyny, male violence and police corruption. You are not an ally.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Really not appropriate conduct for this thread, and righty reported by several posters. You're banned off the thread for a week.

This place isn’t good anymore mate.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Seriously Magnus just stop, you're embarrassing yourself trying to have the last word.

I did nothing wrong.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Even with all the publicity, it seems like this may well get filed away as a sort of freak accident.

There's not really any other option as far as official narratives go. That's why the key has been thrown away; to bury this one aberration as deep as possible the better to convince everyone to move on as swiftly as possible.

 

[editor]

This place isn’t good anymore mate.

Five women have complained about your conduct in the space of ten minutes. Maybe you should take a look at yourself rather than trying to blame others.

 

[colacubes]

I did nothing wrong.

Reflect.

 

[trashpony]

God I’m so sorry Glitter. How horrible. Must be really unsettling

 

[colacubes]

Separately, I’ve struggled to engage with this subject fully. But to all the men who spent much of this morning wishing violence and speculating on the fate of the perpetrator, you should all also reflect. You are part of the circle of violence here. Until we break this it will keep happening. Teach your children. Set good examples. Stop perpetrating violence even if it’s just in your thoughts not your practice. Normalise respectful consensual relationships and call out disrespectful language and behaviour straightaway.

And Numbers thank you for your honesty and reflection. We need more men like you x

 

[LeytonCatLady]

I read Wayne Coward was crying in court when Sarah's parents and sister addressed him directly. I'd like to think it was remorse for causing their grief but suspect it was more a play for sympathy, regret at being caught, or both.

 

[BigMoaner]

nothing to say other than throw away the fucking key.

 

[Raheem]

There's not really any other option as far as official narratives go. That's why the key has been thrown away; to bury this one aberration as deep as possible the better to convince everyone to move on as swiftly as possible.

Probably, but then you might have said a similar thing about Hollywood film production.

 

[krtek a houby]

This place isn’t good anymore mate.

Read the room. Move on.

Urban is a far more aware place than 5, 10, 15 years ago. There is a realisation that the sexism, the lecturing and mansplaining of yesteryear isn't going to fly anymore.

Let's try for a better world and acknowledging when it's time to stand down.

Regarding sentencing - it's just. Now it's time to educate mates, and young males and investigate the horrible police culture that closes ranks and perpetuates the hatreds and entitled behaviour of misogynists.

 

[BigMoaner]

There's not really any other option as far as official narratives go. That's why the key has been thrown away; to bury this one aberration as deep as possible the better to convince everyone to move on as swiftly as possible.

they key should be trown away, but obvisouly that shouldn't be the end of it. i would think him being banged up for life is a far greater message to those on the spectrum of this sort of brutality than any other way (and what other possible option is there?) in regards crim justice. i know a real start would be educating our sons to not treat people like objects, to value equality deep in their hearts, to understand consent, etc. i know crimes like this are just a symptom of causes that stretch on and on and are complex, but allow also the recognition that this man was a massive pile of shit to do this and he deserves to loose his freedom.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Fuck American porn and look at the way cop shows from pretty much every country focus on the violent deaths of women for salacious entertainment. Beamed into houses across the UK on free channels almost every night of the week. You can sit there with your partner watching people discuss brutal killings of young women while eating your tea, it's socially acceptable

And its all on the net, a couple of clicks away.

 

[BigMoaner]

Yeah, stop attacking me and continue with the do fuck all hot air person here.

dude, we're discussing a brutal misogynistic murder. maybe it's best to just read for a while? wheter you win the "argument" or not, deep down you must realise it's not really the place for it so even if you "win", nothing good will come of it. i think people have suggested you back off so maybe take their word for it?

 

[Pickman's model]

And its all on the net, a couple of clicks away.

Yeh obvs it's on iPlayer and Walter presents and other streaming services. But you don't need to be going online for shows which pump out plots involving murders of young women when terrestrial channels are so keen to find them for you

 

[existentialist]

I read Wayne Coward was crying in court when Sarah's parents and sister addressed him directly. I'd like to think it was remorse for causing their grief but suspect it was more a play for sympathy, regret at being caught, or both.

A "like" wasn't enough. I am absolutely sure that his "grief" was more about self-pity than anything else. But I liked that they demanded that he look at them - that shows tremendous courage and determination...I know that the prospect of delivering my own victim impact statement was a terrifying one, even though I'm usually perfectly up to doing that kind of thing. I had a little cry when I read about it.