RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

[Pickman's model]

American porn has had a massive effect. Can anyone remember a time when it was not normal entertainment for men to hurt and degrade women? Outside of porn, it's fairly normal for American men to describe all women as whores who only want men for their money. There's so much American culture which portrays marriage as a financial transaction. Maybe the UK is as bad? So many men think that you have to pay for sex in a relationship, so you might as well just buy it from a prostitute. Love and friendship and companionship are not part of the equation.

Fuck American porn and look at the way cop shows from pretty much every country focus on the violent deaths of women for salacious entertainment. Beamed into houses across the UK on free channels almost every night of the week. You can sit there with your partner watching people discuss brutal killings of young women while eating your tea, it's socially acceptable

 

[Magnus McGinty]

With the radical/far right using misogyny to attract recruits it makes sense to act as you suggest. Clearly as trashpony says there should be a zero tolerance policy and people coming out with this bullshit should be pulled up on it. But as you say with your reference to incels misogyny is becoming a rallying point around which forces of reaction gather.

The Incels are a subset of fascism and a stream into it. Andrew Tate is a YouTube talking head promoting the disrespect of women and appeared on Big Brother so not simply a nobody.
He sells Incel courses on his website.
I’m slightly perturbed that my sharing of this kind of information leads to accusations of bad faith on my part.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I do like how the feminists on here are hard headed though. It’s fair enough.

 

[Orang Utan]

i’m sure they are swooning with delight at your approval

 

[Magnus McGinty]

i’m sure they are swooning with delight at your approval

Speaking of white knighting…

 

[Glitter]

I do like how the feminists on here are hard headed though. It’s fair enough.

Fuck off, you horrible cunt.

 

[weltweit]

The whole story appals me, how someone can become so aberrant that they have to do this to get their kicks is beyond my comprehension. I am sure that someone as aberrant would give away some tells to those around them, hence being known as the rapist in his previous role.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn at some point that he has done this (or slightly less appalling offences) before and so far got away with it. Despite that he resoundingly failed to use his job knowledge to avoid detection in this case. I just doubt that people go from zero to rape killing in one go.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Fuck off, you horrible cunt.

Fair. Given I’ve committed no crime.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

My pro feminist position is getting me attacked by feminists. Can anyone explain this? Please do.

 

[equationgirl]

The whole story appals me, how someone can become so aberrant that they have to do this to get their kicks is beyond my comprehension. I am sure that someone as aberrant would give away some tells to those around them, hence being known as the rapist in his previous role.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn at some point that he has done this (or slightly less appalling offences) before and so far got away with it. Despite that he resoundingly failed to use his job knowledge to avoid detection in this case. I just doubt that people go from zero to rape killing in one go.

That's been said a couple of pages back. Also what 'tells' do you think mark a man out to be an obvious rapist, apart from his colleagues calling him 'the rapist'?

Did you know stranger rape is not the only form of rape? That many women are raped by someone they know?

Rapists aren't marked with an R branded on their foreheads. If they were, they'd be a lot fewer and easily avoidable.

 

[David Clapson]

My pro feminist position is getting me attacked by feminists. Can anyone explain this? Please do.

If you're pro-feminist, you are a feminist. But you seem to think of feminists as other people.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If you're pro-feminist, you are a feminist. But you seem to think of feminists as other people.

Well yeah like I’m male and working class so I don’t expect Boris Johnson to argue my position.
Why am I getting abuse though? It’s weird.

 

[weltweit]

That's been said a couple of pages back. Also what 'tells' do you think mark a man out to be an obvious rapist, apart from his colleagues calling him 'the rapist'?

I expect his general behaviour around women would likely have been suspect at times.

 

[equationgirl]

I can explain it Magnus McGinty you're deliberately trying to wind up people or straight up just fuck them off because you have a track record for that exact thing.. please just stop it.

 

[Poot]

My pro feminist position is getting me attacked by feminists. Can anyone explain this? Please do.

Hello Magnus McGinty. I couldn't help but notice that you've managed to make a thread about a woman killed by a serving policeman all about you somehow. Maybe you could consider leaving it a while. Ta.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I can explain it Magnus McGinty you're deliberately trying to wind up people or straight up just fuck them off because you have a track record for that exact thing.. please just stop it.

Im not though. I’m being genuine and speaking from the heart.

 

[equationgirl]

I expect his general behaviour around women would likely have been suspect at times.

That's not super specific though, is it

You may just as well have said his eyes are too close together or that he looks a bit dodge.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Hello Magnus McGinty. I couldn't help but notice that you've managed to make a thread about a woman killed by a serving policeman all about you somehow. Maybe you could consider leaving it a while. Ta.

I haven’t done this though.

 

[equationgirl]

I haven’t done this though.

YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF THIS THREAD..

 

[Magnus McGinty]

YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF THIS THREAD..

I’m not doing anything. I’m in agreement with all your points. I connected misogyny to fascism (which is evident) and suddenly I’m being accused of non specific stuff.

 

[weepiper]

Really coming onto a thread about a woman kidnapped raped and murdered by a serving policeman and telling women they've done feminism wrong? Really?

 

[equationgirl]

weltweit in my experience there's a few types of predator- the charmers like Bundy who are super nice until they're not; the weird loner incel types who loathe women with every fibre of their being; and those people who are just a bit 'off' but act questionably, like standing too close to a woman in a lift, or making inappropriate remarks.

Each one will have their own set of behaviours. You can't necessarily tell.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Really coming onto a thread about a woman kidnapped raped and murdered by a serving policeman and telling women they've done feminism wrong? Really?

I’ve never said that women do feminism wrong. I said that I do monitor misogynists when faced with the accusation that I wouldn’t care about feminism.

 

[equationgirl]

I’m not doing anything. I’m in agreement with all your points. I connected misogyny to fascism (which is evident) and suddenly I’m being accused of non specific stuff.

How about you stop arguing and start listening to all the women on this thread telling you to stop?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

How about you stop arguing and start listening to all the women on this thread telling you to stop?

I’m agreeing with you though.

 

[trashpony]

You know that book that Renni Eddo-Lodge wrote called ‘why I’m no longer talking to white people about race’?

That’s how I feel about talking about misogyny on here. Or actually in mixed sex groups. It’s a waste of my time, my breath, my brainpower. Men need to sort this shit out.

 

[Poot]

weltweit in my experience there's a few types of predator- the charmers like Bundy who are super nice until they're not; the weird loner incel types who loathe women with every fibre of their being; and those people who are just a bit 'off' but act questionably, like standing too close to a woman in a lift, or making inappropriate remarks.

Each one will have their own set of behaviours. You can't necessarily tell.

And it's interesting that there are so many types of predator. Is it that the same childhood experiences are being translated differently and are then acted out differently, is it personality types? And there are different coping strategies that we develop for each, too. The cheerfully wandering hand, the rage that you can feel radiating from someone, the too-competitive anger. You learn to deal with them all in different ways.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I talk about organising against misogynists like you would fascists and get attacked lol. Logic anyone?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

I talk about organising against misogynists like you would fascists and get attacked lol. Logic anyone?

Piss off. You're not the victim here. Stop making this about YOU.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

“Private group becomes irate and attacks”