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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

The whole thing is so ugly. One of many appalling aspects is that the Met already knew some of the details of what Couzens had done when they policed the vigil on 13 March with their strong arm tactics. It's possible even some of the actual PCs on the ground knew details that had been passed around.
 
The whole thing is so ugly. One of many appalling aspects is that the Met already knew some of the details of what Couzens had done when they policed the vigil on 13 March with their strong arm tactics. It's possible even some of the actual PCs on the ground knew details that had been passed around.
I wonder if their heavy-handedness on that vigil was born of a desire to nip in the bud any kind of social response to Couzens' atrocity. They could probably justify it to themselves as some kind of "preserving public order" thing, and I expect that's exactly what they did.
 
Probably a lot less than that (aren't criminal cases rates set by our notoriously stingy Govt?) but I bet he's not on minimum wage either. Probably doesn't have to pull a stint behind the other more socially acceptable kind of bar to top it up.
much less - for junior barristers criminal defence sometimes works out at less than the minimum wage once preparation, travel etc is taken into account. I'd imagine with high profile cases like this they'll make sure it's someone more senior, but it's still nothing like hundreds of pounds an hour.
 
We would do well to not just focus on retribution, but do some careful consideration about understanding people like this, if only so we can spot risky signs earlier and do something about them. And that extends to the ethos of the environment he worked in - how someone who was nicknamed "the rapist" and who got away with a number of sexual offences, despite that...these are things that need looking at deeply and urgently. Because he won't be the only person like that in the police force - I'd imagine that police work is very attractive to people like Couzens.

Yep, the focus should be on men like Couzens and how they can be prevented from abusing their authority and from getting into positions of power in the first place.

The man himself should just be buried alive in the prison system and forgotten about, not given the notoriety of being the first person executed in Britain in 60 years.
 
A combination of this and that other young copper who drunkenly tried to 'arrest' a woman walking home means that any woman encountering the police is going to be fucking terrified.

As a young woman i was stopped twice in my car by the police while driving alone. Once my tax disc was a day out of date and the other 'just because' at 2am. On both occasions they deliberately scared me shitless and clearly got a kick out of it and there were no witnesses. Not bad apples, an absolute culture of misogyny.
 
Yep, the focus should be on men like Couzens and how they can be prevented from abusing their authority and from getting into positions of power in the first place.

The man himself should just be buried alive in the prison system and forgotten about, not given the notoriety of being the first person executed in Britain in 60 years.
Perhaps we need something like the equivalent of a D-notice for people incarcerated for particular offences - they simply cease to exist in public discourse. I always found the stream of prison stories around the likes of the Yorkshire Ripper rather unpleasant, so maybe there needs to be an add-on to the whole life sentence that, essentially, the convicted individual becomes a non-person for the purposes of media coverage.
 
Ex senior copper on BBC asked what should people do if they find themselves stopped by a copper with ID , on the street.

Response; Er ….comply basically
I also really feel for the woman who witnessed Sarah Everard being put into the police car in handcuffs and who reasonably enough assumed it was a standard arrest. She's probably wondering if she could/should have done something to prevent it, despite not having realised at the time anything was wrong. :(
 
Isn't retribution from other inmates a bit of a myth?

Genuine question, no direct experience myself and if anyone does deserve to live in fear for the rest of their natural lives, it's this sub-human. But will he suffer, really?
They get segregated with other sex offenders, bent cops and grasses. As Plumdaff said, a special wing, rule 43.

That’s not to say that other cons never come into contact with them, so they are sometimes vulnerable to attack - Ian Huntley was got at - but less so than if they were in general population. Sometimes they even get done by their fellow segregated - Ian Brady attacked a fellow child killer.
 
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In my mind it's more like euthanasia. Some human beings are just too dangerous to be allowed to exist in the world, specifically men who commit murder rapes for pleasure. I suppose genuine life imprisonment achieves the same and is maybe an even worse punishment though.
I personally know two people who would have been executed if the death penalty for these sorts of offences was in place. Both were found innocent on appeal, but one spent a year inside and the other two years. The false accusations and the time inside hung heavily on both, but at least they had a chance to clear their names and rebuild their lives.

The death penalty also helps the filth, because once the person in the frame is dead, the case is solved. There's no inconvenient complaining, digging up old evidence or campaigns you have to deal with and you can climb the career ladder at the expense of some poor dupe that you stitched up.
 
Maybe not for you, but for many revenge brings some comfort.

The family? As someone with two 20-something daughters living in London, I would find some degree of comfort in taking a blow torch to him if I was in their frankly unimaginable situation. Which I know reflects poorly on me, but whatever the parents want, or think helps in the grieving process is fine with me. Getting a bit medieval this :(
 
The family? As someone with two 20-something daughters living in London, I would find some degree of comfort in taking a blow torch to him if I was in their frankly unimaginable situation. Which I know reflects poorly on me, but whatever the parents want, or think helps in the grieving process is fine with me. Getting a bit medieval this :(
This ^ kind of thing seems to me to be part of the problem -- men (I'm guessing you're male marshall?) coming over all violent and vengeful when it comes to protecting their womenfolk or defending their honour or whatever.

I don't want men to protect me or get all violent over it, I just don't want this shit to happen. Which involves preventing this stuff from happening in the first place rather than reacting violently after the fact.

(I'm not sure I've expressed myself very well here but hopefully you get my point.)
 
This ^ kind of thing seems to me to be part of the problem -- men (I'm guessing you're male marshall?) coming over all violent and vengeful when it comes to protecting their womenfolk or defending their honour or whatever.

I don't want men to protect me or get all violent over it, I just don't want this shit to happen. Which involves preventing this stuff from happening in the first place rather than reacting violently after the fact.

(I'm not sure I've expressed myself very well here but hopefully you get my point.)
You have, clearly.
 
This horrendous case has got me wondering if Couzens had committed similar crimes before - it seems odd that he would go straight from flashing to rape and murder. Was this his first? Hopefully this is being looked into, but seeing as how it might reflect even more badly on the police if it was found that he was guilty of similar crimes, I do wonder.
On the other hand, maybe he was caught after his one and only such crime. It does strike me as somewhat stupid of him - especially as a serving cop - not to think he would be traced by CCTV etc. Didn't he use his own name and credit card for the hire car?
But maybe I shouldn't be speculating this way in public, as it keeps his name in the spotlight. I do agree with existentialist and others when they suggest he should just simply be buried in the prison system and forgotten.
 
This ^ kind of thing seems to me to be part of the problem -- men (I'm guessing you're male marshall?) coming over all violent and vengeful when it comes to protecting their womenfolk or defending their honour or whatever.

I don't want men to protect me or get all violent over it, I just don't want this shit to happen. Which involves preventing this stuff from happening in the first place rather than reacting violently after the fact.

(I'm not sure I've expressed myself very well here but hopefully you get my point.)

I know, I know, I apologise and I definitely get your point.
 
The impact statement from Sarah Everard's mother is a very moving and eloquent piece of writing, is worth reading and reflecting on instead of fantasising over what will happen to her murderer in jail.

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A combination of this and that other young copper who drunkenly tried to 'arrest' a woman walking home means that any woman encountering the police is going to be fucking terrified.

As a young woman i was stopped twice in my car by the police while driving alone. Once my tax disc was a day out of date and the other 'just because' at 2am. On both occasions they deliberately scared me shitless and clearly got a kick out of it and there were no witnesses. Not bad apples, an absolute culture of misogyny.
Have found them a tad predatory on a couple of the few occasions I've had to deal with them.
 
This horrendous case has got me wondering if Couzens had committed similar crimes before - it seems odd that he would go straight from flashing to rape and murder. Was this his first? Hopefully this is being looked into, but seeing as how it might reflect even more badly on the police if it was found that he was guilty of similar crimes, I do wonder.
On the other hand, maybe he was caught after his one and only such crime. It does strike me as somewhat stupid of him - especially as a serving cop - not to think he would be traced by CCTV etc. Didn't he use his own name and credit card for the hire car?
But maybe I shouldn't be speculating this way in public, as it keeps his name in the spotlight. I do agree with existentialist and others when they suggest he should just simply be buried in the prison system and forgotten.
doesn't matter the field of human endeavour, be it building a house or committing a murder, you don't become that proficient without practice. contrary to popular belief, people very rarely rise to an occasion, they generally sink to the level of their training. now, it's possible to have some inklings of how other people have gone about things from tv shows. but considering the matter theoretically and carrying it out practically are two different things.

so tl; dr? i suspect there are other previous victims
 
This horrendous case has got me wondering if Couzens had committed similar crimes before - it seems odd that he would go straight from flashing to rape and murder. Was this his first? Hopefully this is being looked into, but seeing as how it might reflect even more badly on the police if it was found that he was guilty of similar crimes, I do wonder.
On the other hand, maybe he was caught after his one and only such crime. It does strike me as somewhat stupid of him - especially as a serving cop - not to think he would be traced by CCTV etc. Didn't he use his own name and credit card for the hire car?
But maybe I shouldn't be speculating this way in public, as it keeps his name in the spotlight. I do agree with existentialist and others when they suggest he should just simply be buried in the prison system and forgotten.
Seems unusual to suddenly commit a rape and murder aged 48 with no previous.
 
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