krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Disturbing stuff, for sure.
RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021
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Disturbing stuff, for sure.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Maybe it is, life imprisonment. Every day having to contemplate the worthlessness of himself and what he did.
Euthanasia is a mercy killing, though. A bit different to execution.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think that is the fundamental difference between us. Any additional suffering Couzens experiences will not reduce the suffering that Sarah Everard suffered before death, nor the suffering her loss has caused her family. I can't see any point - beyond pure revenge - why any suffering he incurs as a result of the state's action (or inaction) makes anything any better for anyone.
Cid
Proper break this time
Without wishing to go down a massive tangent, the US system at least utterly fails because of the appeals system... Essentially a decade or two of dragging families back through the court system, re-exposing everything etc. Keeping the names in the press. It fails in a bunch of other ways too of course, but even if you accept the unwillingness of medical professionals, the poor design of systems etc, the inevitable injustice, that factor remains. Of course you could say have less access to appeals, but then you have to trust the administration of justice in more marginal cases. And whether future governments might, say, extend execution for this kind of crime to executions for terrorism offences, killing an officer etc.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
This. Cunts like him won't have the balls to front up a long stretch. Dead within 5 years.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Hasn't he tried to kill himself once already whilst in custody? I suspect he will eventualy do it whilst in prison. Even if he doesn't get a whole life order. He's 48 so even 30 years will push him into his late 70's or early 80's before he gets parole.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I can't imagine anything worse than life in prison with no chance of ever getting out.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
Focus less on the fate of the abuser and more on the everyday misogyny everywhere and police corruption that allowed it to happen
May Kasahara
take me to the feeling
I simply don't have the words for this repellent man and what he did. Fuck these men and their fucking entitlement to our fucking bodies.
RIP Sarah. May your family find some peace, somehow
RIP Sarah. May your family find some peace, somehow
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Wasn't there some kind of self-injury incident soon after his arrest? Banging his head against a wall, or something?
Leaving my professional hat firmly off, I think that he's probably got quite a strong sense of entitlement, and is probably completely disorientated by what has happened - "people like me don't get to account for our acts". I think that's going to fester away inside him, alongside the realisation of the total loss of control he has over his life, or anyone else (note all the manipulative attempts to get off the hook), and eventually the only thing he'll have left to control is his own mortality.
Professional hat back on, I do find myself wondering what happens to someone to make them become someone like this: to be able to cold-bloodedly, and in full public view, abduct a completely innocent person, and - intimately - commit those acts of violence upon them, without at any point during quite a long period of time stopping and wondering WTF he's doing...that's some pretty messed-up thinking.
We would do well to not just focus on retribution, but do some careful consideration about understanding people like this, if only so we can spot risky signs earlier and do something about them. And that extends to the ethos of the environment he worked in - how someone who was nicknamed "the rapist" and who got away with a number of sexual offences, despite that...these are things that need looking at deeply and urgently. Because he won't be the only person like that in the police force - I'd imagine that police work is very attractive to people like Couzens.
Athos
Well-Known Member
Maybe not for you, but for many revenge brings some comfort.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Yes. Absolutely.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
To whom? You're not seriously suggesting that we should be advocating retribution on behalf of others, without even asking for their views?
Athos
Well-Known Member
No, I'm not. I'm merely disputing your assertion that Couzens suffering wouldn't reduce he family's suffering; it's quite possible that they'd take comfort from such justice being served.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sometimes I agree with John major's injunction to condemn a little more and understand a little less. But firm among the warning signs I'd look for would be membership of a police force, which coupled with membership of eg the territorial army ought to raise eyebrows
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's what they'd want presumably
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Have you read Mike Thomas's Ugly Bus? This murder made me think of it. Thomas is an ex-copper and this novel for rings horribly true in its depiction of group dynamics among hard nosed TSG crew.
Ugly Bus Review
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
I think that what is bothering me most about these responses of yours is the assumption that, because you would feel gratified by vengeful attacks on offenders like this one, it automatically follows that anyone else in their right mind would.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Every few months the met swap cops in a carrier to try to prevent this sort of thingHave you read Mike Thomas's Ugly Bus? This murder made me think of it. Thomas is an ex-copper and this novel for rings horribly true in its depiction of group dynamics among hard nosed TSG crew.
Ugly Bus Review
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Twelve police officers are being investigated by the Independent Office for Police Conduct for gross misconduct over matters relating to the case.
Athos
Well-Known Member
No, I don't assume that.
And I don't know whether or not revenge would help this particular family. Which is why I haven't claimed it would. I was merely countering your claim that it wouldn't. Something which you can't possibly know, and which appears to be you assuming that they feel they way you imagine you would in their shoes.
"Any additional suffering Couzens experiences will not reduce the suffering that Sarah Everard suffered before death, nor the suffering her loss has caused her family."
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Barrister is an odd job in some ways you have to get up in court saying what you know is complete bollocks yet try and sound convincing about it.
That was when he worked for the civil nuclear constabulary, not the met.
Do you think Couzens' barrister is on that? Who pays?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Even weirder when you realise the person you are aiming this bullshit at used to be a barrister doing exactly the same crap...
not-bono-ever
meh
Ex senior copper on BBC asked what should people do if they find themselves stopped by a copper with ID , on the street.
Response; Er ….comply basically
Response; Er ….comply basically
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Probably a lot less than that (aren't criminal cases rates set by our notoriously stingy Govt?) but I bet he's not on minimum wage either. Probably doesn't have to pull a stint behind the other more socially acceptable kind of bar to top it up.
