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RIP Sarah Everard, who went missing from Brixton in March 2021

Little Piranha said:
I think they hate him for embarrassing them, but the shame of it has made them double down even more to brazen it out. If they acted more sensitively they think it would be admitting some kind of culpability.
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I can’t get rid of this image of some copper pissing on his head while he’s head bleeding on the cell floor. Their deep rage at him must be immense,
 
Little Piranha said:
I don't think it's really the same thing. I don't think they want to stand up for him personally. If anything they want to distance themselves as much as they can from him, and their fucked up way to do that is to try to show that they're not taking it in to consideration at all because he's a crazy anomaly. So they have to be extra shit in case someone thinks that the reason they're being hands off is because they're ashamed and they have a responsibility for it.
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Yeah, that makes twisted horrible sense to me,
 
The origin of modern policing was to control large groups of people. Either the new working class in cities, slaves in US or colonial populations. People who could potentially be threat to "order" as seen by ruling classes.

People who are "unruly".

The vigils organised across country come into that category. The police on Clapham Common behaved as police have against other groups in the past. Its what they are for.

No surprise the Tories are trying to give police more powers against protest today.
 
Statement from Lambeth Labour women Cllrs:
We are sad and angry that the vigil on Clapham Common that was planned for tonight is now not able to take place. Lambeth Council officers and the local Lambeth Police have been hugely supportive and we want to thank them for working collaboratively with the vigil’s organisers to try and ensure this important event would be safe and secure.

Unfortunately, without the cooperation of Scotland Yard it would not have been possible to properly police the gathering to guarantee it would be Covid-safe and there is uncertainty whether participants would receive a £200 fine.
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www.lambeth-labour.org.uk

Lambeth Labour women councillors statement - Lambeth Labour

Like many women, Lambeth Labour women councillors have been shocked, saddened and horrified by the murder of a young woman who was kidnapped whilst walking home on our streets. We are sad and angry that the vigil on Clapham Common that was planned for tonight is now not able to take place...
www.lambeth-labour.org.uk www.lambeth-labour.org.uk

So it was Cressida Dick who tried to stop the vigil .
 
Evening Standard (London newspaper) says today says the two page report by Met on what happened at Clapham was "defensive and defiant" that it blamed " elements of the crowd.. because they turned hostile"

So it was fault of some of those women who attended according to Met.

No wonder Khan wasn't happy with explanation he got from Cressida Dick.

www.standard.co.uk

Anger at Met Police’s two page snub on vigil for Sarah Everard

Defiant response over rough police tactics as Cressida Dick fights for job
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
 
Gramsci said:
Statement from Lambeth Labour women Cllrs:


www.lambeth-labour.org.uk

Lambeth Labour women councillors statement - Lambeth Labour

Like many women, Lambeth Labour women councillors have been shocked, saddened and horrified by the murder of a young woman who was kidnapped whilst walking home on our streets. We are sad and angry that the vigil on Clapham Common that was planned for tonight is now not able to take place...
www.lambeth-labour.org.uk www.lambeth-labour.org.uk

So it was Cressida Dick who tried to stop the vigil .
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yes, i thought (as i said above) that this must have come from a very senior officer. she has to go.
 
The narrative is sadly successfully being turned against the women who were assaulted at the vigil, either by saying they "broke the law" or that they've detracted from the death of Sarah Everard
And of course the old "left wing troublemakers/agitators/anarchists/police fighters" tropes
 
ddraig said:
The narrative is sadly successfully being turned against the women who were assaulted at the vigil, either by saying they "broke the law" or that they've detracted from the death of Sarah Everard
And of course the old "left wing troublemakers/agitators/anarchists/police fighters" tropes
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when i spoke to my mother on mother's day her horror at the murder of sarah everard and her disgust at the cops' actions dominated the phone call. i very much doubt if she's alone. there'll be a huge number of very fucked off women out there who may not have said anything but are nonetheless very angry. and i doubt their rage will swiftly subside.
 
SheilaNaGig said:
Imagine if every woman in the land did, this for a while at least.





I spoke with a man friend today. He phoned specifically because he was outraged about the way everything was handled and especially the police response last night, and he knew I’d have been there. He wanted to offer solidarity. He said “Of course it would cause defiance” and I said “It’s not defiance. It’s a response. Why is it “defiant” for women to respond to violence with refusal to shut up and go away? Saying it was defiant women is like saying it was uppity women .” He agreed and apologised.

Point being, here’s an ally, a good man, displaying - at the very least - patriarchal habits of speech.
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Insofar as it was an open challenge to authority (of the MPS) it's pretty much a textbook example of defiance. I don't see that as a pejorative label, though!
 
ddraig said:
The narrative is sadly successfully being turned against the women who were assaulted at the vigil, either by saying they "broke the law" or that they've detracted from the death of Sarah Everard
And of course the old "left wing troublemakers/agitators/anarchists/police fighters" tropes
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How are you assessing success here?
 
Athos said:
Insofar as it was an open challenge to authority (of the MPS) it's pretty much a textbook example of defiance. I don't see that as a pejorative label, though!
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I personally have found it tends to come with a bit of a nasty undertone, not sure if it's a recent shift or what. Ime it tends to be used as a fallback from descriptors like "angry" and "aggressive" when people realise they're not going to get away with describing a woman like that. No one "on my side" has ever described me as defiant but a lot of people I've been up against have done
 
Priti Patel: re Sarah Everard tributes: "On Friday, my views were known + they were based on the fact that people who wanted to pay tribute, obviously within the locality, bearing in mind we are in a pandemic, many people laying flowers is absolutely the right thing to do.."

😂
 
muscovyduck said:
I personally have found it tends to come with a bit of a nasty undertone, not sure if it's a recent shift or what. Ime it tends to be used as a fallback from descriptors like "angry" and "aggressive" when people realise they're not going to get away with describing a woman like that. No one "on my side" has ever described me as defiant but a lot of people I've been up against have done
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I haven't heard it used that way, but happy to accept that you have. Here, though, it seems both linguistically apt, and something of which to be proud.
 
muscovyduck said:
I personally have found it tends to come with a bit of a nasty undertone, not sure if it's a recent shift or what. Ime it tends to be used as a fallback from descriptors like "angry" and "aggressive" when people realise they're not going to get away with describing a woman like that. No one "on my side" has ever described me as defiant but a lot of people I've been up against have done
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imo defiance is when you've been whacked in the face and you lock eyes again with your enemy. it's where you've been attacked but refuse to back down. so i see it as a positive but it's not the first quality which springs to mind when considering the grief and solidarity and (fwoabw) dignity which seem to me the hallmarks of the vigil the other night. the demo the next day, round westminster, that was defiant.
 
Re: Saturday night - I've already had someone I know & respect say something like - 'the vigil was fine, but it was hijacked at the end by the usual types... '

I'll admit I wasn't there between 6 & 7pm, & I missed the actual vigil, I've seen the photos of the vigil, people standing still with lights, but I don't know exactly what happened after that ended & 7pm when I arrived and everything had changed.

But I can't believe it was anything worse than, essentially, women shouting, & it seems very unlikely it was going to lead to violence, public disorder, or fear in the local area.

And yet there were 13 vanloads of police, 4 of them TSG (is this basically 'riot squad' in laymans terms or have I got that wrong?) to suppress it.

So just why are men* so afraid of women's voices?

*'men' here being the police in the sense of being an overwhelmingly male institution, not 'men in general' or 'men that I know'
Pull the phrase apart if you like, I'm not even sure what I mean by it, but it's been nagging me all day...
 
If women started cutting off the penises of flashers, surely that would be ok? After all it would have been the man's fault for taking it out... (tongue in cheek, but lemme tell you, this is the sort of thing that goes through my mind when I hear of men intimidating women with their knobs).
 
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