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Reports that SWP bookshop Bookmarks attacked

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there had been attacks on SWP paper sales which we've not heard of, seems a bit odd to me to have a pop at bm without any preliminary actions
At the end of the you tube video of Demo by alt right types opposing fb ban, didn't they say they were going for a drink, maybe they just decided to harass people in BM there and then, doesn't sound like a particularly organised attack !

Yeah, attacking paper sellers is, so I'm told traditional 'blooding in' initiation of Far Right/Fascist/Nazis groups, but would Alt. Right right use or fit into this 'modus operandi' ?
 
At the end of the you tube video of Demo by alt right types opposing fb ban, didn't they say they were going for a drink, maybe they just decided to harass people in BM there and then, doesn't sound like a particularly organised attack !

Yeah, attacking paper sellers is, so I'm told traditional 'blooding in' initiation of Far Right/Fascist/Nazis groups, but would Alt. Right right use or fit into this 'modus operandi' ?
i didnt realise this video was from a demo yesterday...is that for certain? does the timeline match up?
 
Agreed, but on our terms, not theirs.
My way of drawing this distinction is to say I'd turn up to defend the shop if there was going to be a far right attack or demo there - or something similar if there was to be a far right attack on a swappie in their home - but not much else. No donations, no standing with them in publicity shots, no messages of solidarity. They might still be of the left, but the delta thing goes beyond even rape apologism e.g. Galloway. It was a case, literally, of defending an (alleged) rapist and saving the organisation ahead of common decency and defending victims. Even more, a process of demonising those who stood in solidarity with the victims. And underlying all that, a vile political mentality that could allow you to do that. All well rehearsed, but relevant here because it's fair to say there are limits to solidarity when it comes to some groups I certainly wouldn't have exerted too much solidarity with Gerry Healy.

Anyway, a better way of putting all that is that in the swp case it's about opposing the far-right/alt-right weirdos rather than, in this case, who their victims are.
 
Their are a few people on Twitter claiming that it does !
E.G.

Jo seems to be able to name several of the people (in the subsequent twitter thread posts)...bold to say they were definitely the ones who went on to bookmarks though...impressive if correct
 
Jo seems to be able to name many of the people (in the subsequent twitter thread posts)
Mainly because the organisers posted a speakers list .MBGA is essentially a grouping within UKIP, they are incapable of any physical action . If it was them and they went into the bookshop after a few shandies it would hardly have been part of a return to the suburbs strategy.
 
Tbh this lot couldnt intimidate anyone and they dont really even attract people who could intimidate anyone. Its not their modus operandi .
The Bookmarks statement on Facebook says this:
'On Saturday evening around 6:45 just as we were closing, Bookmarks was attacked by around a dozen mask wearing fascists. They attempted to intimidate staff and customers and to destroy books and materials. Fortunately no one was hurt.
This gave me the impression that it was a masked up gang ie scarves/balaclavas/etc

However another statement says
Some carried placards reading “British Bolshevik Cult” and one of them wore a Trump Mask. Books and magazines were ripped and torn, with displays wrecked.

If its the latter quote then the likelihood of another group wearing a Trump mask and carrying these sorts of placards is pretty remote which makes me wonder if the first quote is somewhat disingenuous and over egging the pudding.
 
Mainly because the organisers posted a speakers list .MBGA is essentially a grouping within UKIP, they are incapable of any physical action . If it was them and they went into the bookshop after a few shandies it would hardly have been part of a return to the suburbs strategy.

It's not about being butch, & I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but you might hope for a bit more vim from members of an explicitly revolutionary organisation. My mother in law & her sisters have always had fairground stalls, market stalls, shops - damage their stock & you'll get a pricing gun round the head &/or seen off with a verbal blast loaded with the authority of experience. Same goes for any cornershop in the country. MBGA arent currently a physical force outfit - but it seems they've links/shared history with older fascists, because the choice of target is straight out of the 70s/80s/early 90s playbook.
 
It's not about being butch, & I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but you might hope for a bit more vim from members of an explicitly revolutionary organisation. My mother in law & her sisters have always had fairground stalls, market stalls, shops - damage their stock & you'll get a pricing gun round the head &/or seen off with a verbal blast loaded with the authority of experience. Same goes for any cornershop in the country. MBGA arent currently a physical force outfit - but it seems they've links/shared history with older fascists, because the choice of target is straight out of the 70s/80s/early 90s playbook.
The MGBA flirted with some older far righters but they draw the line at fascists and nazis , might be a thin line but its a line. They are UKIp members. In fact they recently got threatened by some other far righters because they accused them of associating with Jack Sen.
If it was MNGA then its up in the air for me as to whether this was a planned attack.Lets face it who plans an attack on a book shop wearing a giant size Trump head? Need a bit of digging on locations and time frames.
 
The MGBA flirted with some older far righters but they draw the line at fascists and nazis , might be a thin line but its a line. They are UKIp members. In fact they recently got threatened by some other far righters because they accused them of associating with Jack Sen.
If it was MNGA then its up in the air for me as to whether this was a planned attack.Lets face it who plans an attack on a book shop wearing a giant size Trump head? Need a bit of digging on locations and time frames.

Right. So it's irresponsible of the bookshop & its parent organisation to be framing this as a vicious & effective fascist book burning. And bordering on play-pretend fantasy to promote consequent social media threads full of overwrought 'No Pasaran!' responses.
 
Right. So it's irresponsible of the bookshop & its parent organisation to be framing this as a vicious & effective fascist book burning. And bordering on play-pretend fantasy to promote consequent social media threads full of overwrought 'No Pasaran!' responses.

Depends on what really happened. Tbh I might be jumping to conclusions based on what was said in one quote. It might be that the other quote is more accurate.
 
It just looks like an opportunistic (probably half cut) load of bollocks. Not pre planned or particularly vicious. Still, an indication that these people regard the Left as the enemy.
 
I have just spent the last few hours watching MBGA (and some freetommy and pro-trump videos) :facepalm: and here's my uninformed quick take on things (sorry my attempt to break the links failed! :( )

1. I also get the strong impression that
this lot couldnt intimidate anyone and they dont really even attract people who could intimidate anyone. Its not their modus operandi
. For example they seemed terrified and almost in tears as the police got them safely out of Cambridge:

2. It is however a bit 'suspicious' that their placard/flyer appeared, and there was a trump mask (one also featured on their demo). Maybe a bit *too* suspicious? (You can see the guy with the mask join them and then put the mask on here at 39'38" onwards).

The there are two other things I noticed from their previous videos:

3. They seem to have made some kind of 'link' to the DFLA - at least they made a point (on 27th May) of promoting the DFLA 2nd June Manchester event ... you can hear a (presumably DFLA?) person prompting them off camera with the dates etc at the end of this video: see 2'38"

4. They have had a recent "beef" (threats etc) with the "Justice For Our Boys" lot:

The MBGA version:

The other side's version:
 
Right. So it's irresponsible of the bookshop & its parent organisation to be framing this as a vicious & effective fascist book burning. And bordering on play-pretend fantasy to promote consequent social media threads full of overwrought 'No Pasaran!' responses.
There might well have been a bit of over egging in the immediate aftermath.... Quite normal for people to over blow things when the adrenalin is pumping, and yeah it could've been a lot worse, but the scale of violence isn't the main point, it's a point of principle I think. Anyhow, im glad it's on the lower end of the scale. I think calling it play pretend fantasy is harsh
 
If its the latter quote then the likelihood of another group wearing a Trump mask and carrying these sorts of placards is pretty remote which makes me wonder if the first quote is somewhat disingenuous and over egging the pudding.

The original report was straights after so maybe evidence of people being a bit shaken more than of deliberately hyping nothing much.
 
Any chance of a link to that that isn't behind a pay wall?

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Tommy Robinson winds up bigots and the cash floods in
A former aide to the far-right figurehead reveals that his ragtag group lacks organisation but has money to burn

Andrew Gilligan
August 5 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times

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Tommy Robinson, the far-right leader, was bankrolled until recently by a US tech billionaire whose company’s British clients include the supermarket giant Asda.

Robert Shillman, founder and chairman of the Nasdaq-listed multinational Cognex, helped to pay Robinson’s high-five-figure salary, in the latest example of American cash flowing into the British hard right. The disclosure comes as Robinson’s former assistant, also paid by a Shillman-funded group, told The Sunday Times that the anti-Islam activist practised a form of “panto journalism” that was “leading people down a dark path”.

In the first interview by any insider, Lucy Brown, who worked closely alongside Robinson until three months ago, said: “I thought genuinely that I was joining the side that told the truth and I’ve come to realise that it’s not. It’s just about getting [YouTube] views and retweets. This is a business and your outrage, valid as it is, will be monetised as such.”

Brown, who was fired after an argument about a Muslim booked to speak at one of Robinson’s rallies, was part of an often warring inner circle that included a middle-class gay couple, international leaders of the far right, a former underwear model and Celebrity Big Brother contestant, and rougher-hewn figures from Robinson’s time as leader of the English Defence League (EDL).

She said Robinson “used to be kind of fun, but he got a bit of a diva attitude after a while and was letting more EDL figures cloud his judgment. I’ve just reread Peter Pan and there’s so many similarities. You can be around as long as you still worship him, but when you grow up, then you’re out.” Brown added that she was taking legal action over unpaid wages that she says she is owed.

Life with “Team Tommy” was chaotic, Brown said: “It was like being like a firefighter — always waiting for the next Facebook message and we’d be off to Manchester or Poland straight away, sometimes before a real plan had been drawn up. We’d be sleeping in the car and eating in service stations.”

Several of the supposed scandals that Robinson sought to expose fall down on closer examination. “I used to think, foolishly, that when he went home he was doing his research and putting case files together,” Brown said. “He doesn’t, he just goes home and eats crisps and looks himself up on Twitter.”

Emotive YouTube and social media content bring in donations. In one recent video Robinson suggested that the deaths of three teenage boys hit by a drunk driver in Hayes, west London, in January was a terror attack “covered up” by the police and media — apparently based on the fact that the driver, who has a Hindu name, was Asian.

In a video recorded in a Muslim area of Manchester after last year’s bombing, Robinson said: “In these houses are enemy combatants who want to kill you, maim you and destroy you.”

He was freed on appeal last week after being jailed for filming people at a trial of alleged sex offenders and broadcasting the footage on a Facebook live stream. His supporters claim he was a “political prisoner” silenced by the authorities for trying to reveal the truth about Muslim sex offending.

Brown said this narrative was “whipping people up into a frenzy and I worry that some are on the cusp of acting out their frustrations against Muslims as a result. I’ve never seen this before, not in the way it’s playing out now. People are at breaking point — we must not push them further for the sake of money or fame.”

She was one of a handful of people closest to Robinson, name-checked in his videos and who saw him most days along with two other paid British staff, Caolan Robertson and George Llewelyn-John. Robertson and Llewelyn-John, who are open about their gay relationship, shared a flat in an expensive block in Chelsea, west London, before moving to Bedfordshire to be closer to Robinson.

All four, including Robinson himself, were employees of The Rebel Media, a Toronto-based far-right website, extensively funded by Shillman, which has employed a number of Britons, including the writer and former Apprentice contestant Katie Hopkins, who once described migrants as “cockroaches”.

Robinson was a “Shillman fellow” which the Rebel’s chief executive, Ezra Levant, said meant that the tech billionaire provided “support” for Robinson’s salary. Robinson was initially paid between £5,000 and £6,000 a month by The Rebel, rising to £8,000 a month, equivalent to nearly £100,000 a year, Brown said.

The three assistants were paid up to £2,500 a month each. Levant refused to confirm or deny the figures last night, saying it would not be “appropriate for me to disclose what we paid former employees”.

Shillman, 72, uses his salary and shareholding in Cognex, which he founded in 1981, to finance right-wing causes. He is on the board of the David Horowitz Freedom Centre, based in California, a “school for political warfare” against the “fifth column” and “enemy within”.

The organisation, described as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Centre, based in Alabama, also employs Robert Spencer, an anti-Muslim polemicist banned from the UK. Cognex, which makes advanced scanners and sensors, has a substantial operation in Britain. UK users of its technology include Asda, Nissan and the drug giant AstraZeneca.

Shillman and Cognex did not respond to requests for comment.

Robinson and the others left The Rebel last year amid a row over money, with Robertson accusing Levant of profiteering by getting contributors to raise “money [The Rebel] didn’t need”.

Levant in turn accused Robertson and Llewelyn-John of “blackmail”. Both sides deny each other’s claims. Robinson’s departure from The Rebel did not much affect his income, according to Brown, with huge sums flooding in from his own crowdfunding website and the three staff employed directly by Robinson from the proceeds.

“George and Caolan would off- handedly say, oh, we’ve got £100,000 in donations now,” Brown said. “I think he’s doing OK.”

Raheem Kassam, a Robinson ally, also confirmed the figure. Joe Mulhall, of the anti-racist group Hope not Hate, believes that even £100,000 may be a substantial underestimate.

Such material has brought Robinson an affluent lifestyle, living with his wife, Jenna, and their three young children in a £500,000 house in a Bedfordshire village. The family is currently on a two-week holiday in Tenerife, the second holiday they have spent on the Canary island in the past four months.

On his earlier trip Robinson stayed part of the time with Lutz Bachmann, founder of the German racist group Pegida and a personal friend, who has a home in Tenerife.

Robertson and Llewelyn-John appear to be in conflict with older members of “Team Tommy” from EDL days including his cousin, Kevin Carroll, and his long-standing PA, Hel Gower, jostling on social media over who knows Robinson best and competing to be the first with new developments in the imprisonment saga.

A recent addition is Jasmine Lennard, a former lingerie model and a Celebrity Big Brother contestant — until axed for “Islamophobic” tweets. She describes herself on Twitter as a “close friend” of Robinson who “regularly comes round my home” and claims to have been visited by an “MI5 anti-terrorism unit” to “intimidate” her from seeing him.

Slightly older fans include the Ukip peer Lord Pearson, who took Robinson to lunch at the House of Lords in the spring and introduced him to the party’s leader, Gerard Batten. Pearson, Batten, Kassam and Levant were all thanked in Robinson’s first post-prison video.

“Robinson appears to have brought together a lot of people on the far right,” said Mulhall. “They all want a piece of the action.”

Who’s who in Team Tommy?

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A right bunch of rebels: clockwise from top left, Katie Hopkins, George Llewelyn-John, Jasmine Leonard, Ezra Levant, Robert Shillman and Caolan RobertsonJohn Sciullu/Getty Images for Politicon; Ian West/PA; Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press
Katie Hopins
Former columnist, radio presenter and contestant on The Apprentice who described refugees as “cockroaches”. Now part of Robinson’s former employer, The Rebel Media.

Jasmine Lennard
Former Gossard bra model who was dropped from Celebrity Big Brother after being accused of Islamophobic comments and describes herself as a “close friend” of Robinson.

Robert Shillman
Founder, chairman and chief culture officer of Nasdaq-listed Cognex Corporation and bankroller of far-right figures, including Robinson, through The Rebel Media.

George Llewelyn-John
Films most Robinson videos, including the one that got him jailed, and said he was “getting [Robinson] into the right direction, where he can be a little bit more mainstream”.

Caolan Robertson
British-born Robinson staffer, on tour in Australia and New Zealand with Canadian far-right figure Lauren Southern, whose latest booking was cancelled by the venue owner.

Ezra Levant
Head of The Rebel Media in Toronto, who styles himself “rebel commander”. He is a former Robinson employer and travelled to London to support him at the trial and ran his defence fund.
 
There might well have been a bit of over egging in the immediate aftermath.... Quite normal for people to over blow things when the adrenalin is pumping, and yeah it could've been a lot worse, but the scale of violence isn't the main point, it's a point of principle I think. Anyhow, im glad it's on the lower end of the scale. I think calling it play pretend fantasy is harsh

Perhaps. But a minor incident, no worse than countless shopkeepers, retail workers, pub landladys, hospitality workers deal with every day, prompting Spanish Civil War slogans & the diminished form that solidarity takes when reduced to tweets, strikes me as overblown. Facsimiles of political history. And it does no one any favours other than the right, who yet again get to appear powerful.
 
Perhaps. But a minor incident, no worse than countless shopkeepers, retail workers, pub landladys, hospitality workers deal with every day, prompting Spanish Civil War slogans & the diminished form that solidarity takes when reduced to tweets, strikes me as overblown. Facsimiles of political history. And it does no one any favours other than the right, who yet again get to appear powerful.
I hear that. Also the rush to post stuff online is often a mistake.


I do think there is some kind of a difference between directly politically motivated violence and general yobbery. Not sure what that difference is or means though, in all honesty...there might be a lot of overlap too. Curious if anyone has any thoughts on that.
 
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