Not sure about the poshness but there was definitely a tendency for plans to become more elaborate , requiring a greater degree of secrecy and therefore actively working against the aim of empowering people.
Reclaim The Streets in London, Sat 23rd June?
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Not sure about the poshness but there was definitely a tendency for plans to become more elaborate , requiring a greater degree of secrecy and therefore actively working against the aim of empowering people.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I don't doubt that it was fun for those involved. After all, everybody likes a party, and some see the odd riot or two as a step towards nirvana. But surely the success or failure of a movement hangs on whether or not it was able to have a fundamental impact on society.
Is the society that people who were involved imagined they wanted now closer, or has it receded further into the distance? I suspect that among those involved, opinions may be split along class lines. After all, there are plenty of 'alternative' middle class types who appear perfectly at ease in the gentrified/'hipsterised' zones of the major towns and cities.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Where is the meeting point? Or is it a secret?
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Got a text about this but I'm more minded to goto the Anti Brexit march today. 12pm on Pall Mall.
There's been alot done to make our streets safer in London but essentially the traffic is just as bad as 20yrs ago.
Wasn't quite sure what the agenda was for this street party?
There's been alot done to make our streets safer in London but essentially the traffic is just as bad as 20yrs ago.
Wasn't quite sure what the agenda was for this street party?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A lot of words but not a lot of substance. You said it was an inevitable failure but not why. You've said a fundamental impact on society but not how you measure that. You say gentrification, ignoring that that has been a trend for more than 50 years in which both local and national government are actively involved. Surprised you don't look at success on rts terms, and look forward to seeing your reasons for your claim. What next, afa and the 43 group failed?
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
I don't think AFA or the 43 Group as organisations were trying to fundamentally change society, even if many of their components may have had aspirations in that direction. RTS, or at least the wider 'anti-capitalist' movement of which, according to some of the above posts it seemed to see itself as part, appears to have had a wider ambition (although I don't know for sure, as the neo-hippy thing has always left me cold.) But 20 years on, the streets haven't been 'reclaimed' and capitalism is still intact. So people were anti-capitalism. Fine-and then what? Still no kind of answer that would satisfy any but the activists themselves (possibly) is forthcoming.
I don't mean that the likes of RTS were somehow responsible for gentrification, but merely that some of those elements seem, as far as I can see, fairly comfortable within it.
Anyway, it's probably not a conversation worth pursuing, as the outcome is guaranteed to be similar this time around.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
My prediction for the RTS: a badly organized event, poorly promoted and only on social media, very low numbers turning out, nothing of note happens.
Overall a pointless waste of time but will be probably claimed as a massive victory by the clueless organizers.
Anyone more optimistic?
Overall a pointless waste of time but will be probably claimed as a massive victory by the clueless organizers.
Anyone more optimistic?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
There was loads of debate around this stuff going on at the time. Did you ever come across this article RD2003?
Give up Activism - Do Or Die
There was also a good letter in response here Lettuce to the Cabbage - Do Or Die - and plenty more kicking about if you can arsed to look for them.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Might be as you say yet the start of something rather than a solitary event
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
As one of the people who were pushing for the movement (EF! in my case rather than RTS) to become more explicitly anti-capitalist I (for a brief time) have a bit of first hand experience...
... so I've may have lots more to say on this. If people are actually interested. But it'll have to wait till I'm on work hours!
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I'll look forward to it.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Bump this Monday if I forget...
maomao
普費斯
Search twitter for #reclaimthestreets. There are info lines. Made me feel like a teenager off to a rave again.
Nah mebbe a hundred people, alright though but then I did start drinking a couple of hours ago
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Just swung by this for a gander. I was a participant of the RTS's back in the day. Epic days out.
Couple of hundred people, mix of old school squat party techno heads, some younger ravers and a sprinkling of Shoreditch twats in ironed shirts and shiny shoes. Not hipsters, Shoreditch doesn't really attract hipsters anymore on Fri/Sat. They're all out in Walthamstow or Hackney Wick drinking craft beer.
Seemed good natured enough, banging hardcore techno from a relatively decent rig and they had taken the sensible precaution of setting up just off the street in a yard facing out. I'm guessing that may make confiscation less likely (?).
It is on a side street which is a dead end for motor vehicles so they have not disrupted any traffic, apart from some cyclists who would use it as a cut through. No biggy, there's loads of ways around, I went through on my bike no worries. Didn't see any cops at all.
I would say in modern parlance it is more of a pop-up rave than an RTS that we knew and loved.
But good luck to them, they are doing precisely 100% more than me. I hope they do more. I did take a swift video but it didn't work because I am an idiot.
Couple of hundred people, mix of old school squat party techno heads, some younger ravers and a sprinkling of Shoreditch twats in ironed shirts and shiny shoes. Not hipsters, Shoreditch doesn't really attract hipsters anymore on Fri/Sat. They're all out in Walthamstow or Hackney Wick drinking craft beer.
Seemed good natured enough, banging hardcore techno from a relatively decent rig and they had taken the sensible precaution of setting up just off the street in a yard facing out. I'm guessing that may make confiscation less likely (?).
It is on a side street which is a dead end for motor vehicles so they have not disrupted any traffic, apart from some cyclists who would use it as a cut through. No biggy, there's loads of ways around, I went through on my bike no worries. Didn't see any cops at all.
I would say in modern parlance it is more of a pop-up rave than an RTS that we knew and loved.
But good luck to them, they are doing precisely 100% more than me. I hope they do more. I did take a swift video but it didn't work because I am an idiot.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
On a long enough timescale, everybody succeeds at every thing. Except none of us have a long enough timescale.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
only if they've lost all their auld records
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
No. You fucking conspiraloon.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
trumps not stopping in london anyway, copter to the ambassadors gaffe (ferrero roche all round) and some palaces.
kenny g
Sheeple Awake!
Interesting response...
Are you suggesting it could not have been a honey trap? And if so, on what evidence?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Interesting response...
Are you suggesting it could not have been a honey trap? And if so, on what evidence?
Are you suggesting MI5 might have allocated some resources to secretly organize a small street party in Shoreditch with the hope that it might flush some ex-RTS people in their 40s and 50s down from their allotments in Hebden Bridge, with the hope that this might somehow give the State a critical insight into anything that might be being organized against Trump's visit?
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