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Reclaim The Streets in London, Sat 23rd June?

Let us not forget that horrific trot look alike bastard child thing that came about in the early noughties whose name escapes me - plus the state amped the paranoia up to the max - kettling from 2000 didn't help - especially as the SWP led people into an Oxford Circus kettle early in the day.
 
Let us not forget that horrific trot look alike bastard child thing that came about in the early noughties whose name escapes me - plus the state amped the paranoia up to the max - kettling from 2000 didn't help - especially as the SWP led people into an Oxford Circus kettle early in the day.
The leadership had fled the field. It was just a matter of time before it died.
Shows the inherent faults of organising like that. A very posho attitude regarding lack of trust in the working class.
 
The invisible leadership were appalled at what had happened at J18 and frightened at what they had created and failed to control.
They then gave up, disbanded.

Sorry, but that's bollocks. For sure, some mixed feelings for some, but mostly positive from the main organizers, and RTS didn't disband.
 
The leadership had fled the field. It was just a matter of time before it died.
Shows the inherent faults of organising like that. A very posho attitude regarding lack of trust in the working class.

I agree there were real problems with the organizational model. But the problems had nothing to do with people 'having a posho attitude regarding lack of trust in the working class' - give me a break, you sound like a SWP cliche.
 
I agree. At least it worked for a while.

Globalise resistance were the SWP front: Globalise Resistance and the politics of manipulation - Weekly Worker


They helped destroy the European Social Forum, the political leanings of most of the EU young there was left libertarian, as were many key speakers/activists, they were so out of sync, gerrymandering, branding the events with their flags banners, etc, I can recall in Genoa, the Greek SWP putting up a banner that was so huge, it completely blocked the stage, there were tensions when they tried to lead the march, Westminster School Alumni, Chris Nineham shoving past respected people like Antionio Negri, to speak on platforms, it would have been just farcical, but many of the youth there probably thought that was how the left behaved.
 
I agree there were real problems with the organizational model. But the problems had nothing to do with people 'having a posho attitude regarding lack of trust in the working class' - give me a break, you sound like a SWP cliche.

Got your fucking number.​
 
I agree there were real problems with the organizational model. But the problems had nothing to do with people 'having a posho attitude regarding lack of trust in the working class' - give me a break, you sound like a SWP cliche.
It had everything to do with it. Decisions got made by the core group of a max 10 people. Several millionaires in the group and the wider organising meetings had no influence on strategy. The poshos did not trust them. Hilarious given the police had already infiltrated the core/secret group.
 
It had everything to do with it. Decisions got made by the core group of a max 10 people. Several millionaires in the group and the wider organising meetings had no influence on strategy. The poshos did not trust them. Hilarious given the police had already infiltrated the core/secret group.

Several millionaires, really?! There was the Dewhurst person much later in RTS's life, but the group that started it and worked on it for most of the life of the group (Claremont Road to about 1997/8) were far from posh or rich.

And the wider organizing meetings did have influence of the groups strategy, but you know what much of the wider group actually wanted to pull RTS into just being 'about cars' or other stuff (I remember one meeting where a few people new to the group starting saying we needed to focus on the health risks of plastics/metals in food packaging) - in fact many of the longer term members who got involved on the cars/cycling thing actually left after a bit. The reality was, for all its faults, it was the smaller core group that was the part of RTS that was pushing the group into alliances with the Liverpool Dockers for example, or to take a more anti-capitalist line.

Yes, it was a problematic organizing structure, but to paint it as these millionaire poshos not listening to the real working class in the wider group is not the simple truth.

And glad you find the infiltration so hilarious given it ruined some people's lives.

Were you involved in the London RTS group, or is this an outside perspective of yours?
 
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Several millionaires, really?! There was the Dewhurst person much later in RTS's life, but the group that started it and worked on it for most of the life were far from posh or rich. And the wider organizing meetings did have influence of its strategy, but you know what much of the wider group actually wanted to pull RTS into just being 'about cars' or other stuff (I remember one meeting where a few people new to the group starting saying we needed to focus on the health risks of plastics/metals in food packaging) - in fact many of the longer term members who got involved on that tag actually left after a bit. The reality was, for all it's faults, it was the smaller core group that was the part of RTS that was pushing the group into alliances with the Liverpool Dockers for example, or to take a more anti-capitalist line.

Yes, it was problematic organizing structure, but to paint it as these millionaire poshos not listening to the real working class in the wider group is not the simple truth.

We you involved in RTS, or is this an outside perspective of yours?
I attended most of the actions, organised to make j18 into the event it was and dated one of the core group long after it all folded and got to know a few of the others in this "invisible leadership".
 
It had everything to do with it. Decisions got made by the core group of a max 10 people. Several millionaires in the group and the wider organising meetings had no influence on strategy. The poshos did not trust them. Hilarious given the police had already infiltrated the core/secret group.

One of the key RTS people was the granddaughter of Hitlers Adjutant!
 
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