Rapid Response Media Alert: Targeting Iran – The BBC Propaganda Begins
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
editor said:
yr a journalist and not a member of the national union of journalists? what other union are you a member of? i don't know of any for online community types.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
incidentally, i don't see any reason why you'd not be biased some different way were you a member of the nuj.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
what about the bits for 'pay yr telly licence', 'give money to this charity' and so on and so forth?pk said:
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
The BBC and commercialism is a very thorny point. The Beeb makes a decent chunk of revenue via BBC Worldwide - such things as Top Gear and other masthead magazines, overseas sales of BBC progs etc and whether they keep an eye on advertising spends is a pointless point to make - of course the BBC keep an eye on commercial TV and ad revenue, just as much as they keep an eye on TV ratings. What's your point? It doesn't make the Corporation as a whole beholden to corporate interest in the sense that it's reliant on it's support for it's revenue model.
Of course, that the Beeb has to constantly proove the need for the license fee every 10 years does put pressure on how it broadcasts news - one of the biggest issues arising from the whole Gilligan thing is that the charter is up for renewal next year (?)...so while it isn't beholden to commercial interests, just like Thames TV found out after broadcasting 'Death on the Rock' and then finding their ITV license replaced by Carlton cos it pissed Thatch off, techinically the BBC could find it's funding undercut or removed if the DoC panel decide to rescind it.
Pickmans...those aren't classified as 'commercials', just as the internal advertising for BBC programmes, ther Radio Times etc aren't 'commercials'. This is one of the sticky points about commercialism and the Beeb - a company like EMAP has to pay ITV/Sky or whoever to advertise 'Car' magazine - the BBC gets to flag the Top Gear magazine after each showing of TG free of charge gaining both free airtime that would cost a pile in sponsorship for 'Car' magazine to do something similar on a commercial channel.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
how do they advertise their commercial activities, then?pk said:
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
In all fairness to both of you, as I've said, 'commercials' on the BBC are a bit of a grey area...
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
because you'd had a couple of pre-lunch snifters?pk said:
because you thought it sounded adult?
because you wanted to impress people on urban?
i dunno - but i can posit a number of reasons.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
non-membership of a professional organisation which one's entitled to join implies a definite decision not to join, and hence an antipathy to that organisation's raison d'etre or ethos. although much of the printed mass media is unionised, there is a significant percentage which isn't. basick self-interest and some sort of shared interests with one's fellows in the world of journalism would, i'd have hoped, have led you to join the nuj. after all, people have died and been imprisoned and so on for the right to combine at work. it is a right which is constantly under attack, and not to join a union is as political an act as joining one.editor said:
yr well-known for yr journalism to me, as you've mentioned it to me on a number of occasions.
pk said:
So you believe that Cardiff Uni's findings were 'nonsense' then? Why? I remember being distinctly appalled during the Iraq invasion at just how shite the BBC was. No dissenting voices, no talk of civilian casualties etc (unless on REALLY late at night) and so when this research was published it confirmed for me what I had already thought. Incidentally, the research said that the BBC was the most pro-war of the BRITISH broadcasters, so Fox news doesn't come into this anyway.
If we're talking about Sky though, I find it much more bearable to watch these days. Adam Boulton gave Blair a good grilling during a recent interview (when Blair was in the US recently) on the scale of which a BBC interviewer wouldn't dare to - in fact Andrew Marr played it totally safe (as always) in an interview with Blair during that same time. I was so impressed with Boulton I contacted Sky to let them know, and I don't often do that kind of thing (complaints all the time, praise hardly ever).
Newsnight is ok but I wouldn't go too OTT about it - and anyway, it's on nice and late isn't it..
And by my 'public service broadcaster' comment, I just meant that they don't (imo) serve the public very well
editor
hiraethified
What a load of self righteous bullshit!Pickman's model said:
You're lecturing me with hand-wringing, hypocritical platitudes about people who have "died and been imprisoned for the right to combine at work" and you don't even work or belong to an union!
There's actually a very simple and straightforward reason why I haven't joined the NUJ but I'll let you carry on with your hyperbolic tub-ranting for a bit longer because it's as funny as fuck.
Why don't you work, by the way?
By not getting a job and being eligible to join a union, surely - by your laughable logic - that "implies a definite decision not to join, and hence an antipathy to that organisation's raison d'etre or ethos etc etc zzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
PS You still haven't answered my earlier question or expained why my non-membership of the NUJ should "colour my views of the mass media"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's all you know. why do you assume you know things when you plainly don't? i said above i've been a member of a union at every point in my life when it's been appropriate, and that's the position at the moment.editor said:
incidentally, tub-ranting may sound good, but i suspect you mean tub-thumping.
there are unions for those working in the mass media. that you have chosen not to join one indicates - to me, at least - that you at best share anita roddick's view that unions are only necessary where bosses are real shits, and that you therefore have some rosy-eyed views about the people you work/have worked for: which in such a cut-throat industry strikes me as somewhat naive.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Pickman's model said:
I can "posit" a number of reasons why I think you're just flailing out - namely that you don't work yet feel you should comment on the choices of others who do in your tedious self-righteous manner.
I don't belong to a union because they waste time and money in my industry - and led to the downfall of a largely respected company due to their pedantic approach to logical problems.
Sound familiar does it, Picky boy??
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
At least you admit that he was there. And you're aware that he used the Afghani airline to transport men and equipment.Red Jezza said:
I suppose they should have chosen their houseguests more wisely.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
nino_savatte said:
But you understand it?
What a schmuck you are.
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Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
nino_savatte said:
You should hire on with the Foreign Office as a consultant for big bucks. You could just tell them when they're getting it wrong.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
nino_savatte said:
I assume your Fine Arts degree makes you that much more attuned to political truths?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
OBL is *not* the leader of a worldwide network of terror. Even the Yanks admit this if you actually read what they say, rather than skim the surface, Bush's speeches, all the insinuations etc, which is what they hope you'll do. They talk in terms of "al Qaeda franchises" which is quite daft enough.Johnny Canuck2 said:
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Who are you talking to, Mr Canuck? And what conclusions are you drawing from your links?
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
But he is arguably the motivator or guru for a loosely connected collection of groups who tend to share goals. And there's evidence that he either caused or inspired attacks in Kenya, Yemen, the Gulf, and the US. That strikes me as being fairly global in reach.FridgeMagnet said:
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
FridgeMagnet said:
I'm posting as I work my way through the unread portion of the thread. The one above deals with the allegations that there's no such thing as a dirty bomb.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I never once gainsaid he was there.Johnny Canuck2 said:
strawman of the decade, that.
As for 'choosing their houseguests, he fought for the mujahideen against the Russians. Given that Afghanistan is sooo fundamentalist in culture, ahnd with such tricky terrain, and that most Afghan govts have been weak at the centre, in a nation of tribal banditry, once he was in - it would have been difficult-to-impossible to expel him, on practical grounds.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Red Jezza said:
That's right, and they paid the price.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
BTW, Red, we don't want to get too revisionist here, do we?
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Pakistan — which supports the United States in the confrontation, but is also the world's only country to recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government — sent a delegation of senior Islamic clerics friendly to the Taliban, together with its own intelligence chief, Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, to make a case to Omar that he must show flexibility or risk U.S. retaliation.
In daylong talks in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, the Taliban's home base, participants on both sides said Omar refused even to discuss bin Laden, who is accused by the United States of masterminding the Sept. 11 terror strikes on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The United States has demanded that Afghanistan surrender bin Laden. The Taliban refuse to do so.
A Pakistani cleric taking part in the talks quoted the blunt-spoken Taliban leader as saying his stance on bin Laden had not changed. It was America that must abandon its "stubbornness," he said, according to Mufti Mohammed Jamil, leader of a religious Pakistani political party.
In the volatile border city of Peshawar, several thousand protesters chanted "Death to America!" and vowed to make Afghanistan a "graveyard" for American forces. Riot police watched from a distance but did not intervene.
At a smaller protest in Islamabad, protesters stomped on American flags, then burned them, together with an effigy of Bush. "Osama is our hero," read placards waved by the crowd.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/09/28/pushforsurrender.htm
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Pakistan — which supports the United States in the confrontation, but is also the world's only country to recognize the Taliban as Afghanistan's government — sent a delegation of senior Islamic clerics friendly to the Taliban, together with its own intelligence chief, Gen. Mahmood Ahmed, to make a case to Omar that he must show flexibility or risk U.S. retaliation.
In daylong talks in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, the Taliban's home base, participants on both sides said Omar refused even to discuss bin Laden, who is accused by the United States of masterminding the Sept. 11 terror strikes on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The United States has demanded that Afghanistan surrender bin Laden. The Taliban refuse to do so.
A Pakistani cleric taking part in the talks quoted the blunt-spoken Taliban leader as saying his stance on bin Laden had not changed. It was America that must abandon its "stubbornness," he said, according to Mufti Mohammed Jamil, leader of a religious Pakistani political party.
In the volatile border city of Peshawar, several thousand protesters chanted "Death to America!" and vowed to make Afghanistan a "graveyard" for American forces. Riot police watched from a distance but did not intervene.
At a smaller protest in Islamabad, protesters stomped on American flags, then burned them, together with an effigy of Bush. "Osama is our hero," read placards waved by the crowd.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/09/28/pushforsurrender.htm
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I don't have "Fine Arts" degree (and that shows how much attention you actually pay to things) Canuck but it is clear that rather than think for yourself, you would accept every lie told to you.
Has it ever occured to you that you are in absolutely no position to comment on the subject of my degree and its relation to politics? But that is what would you rather do when faced with the possibility of even considering what I have said. I guess you won't be watching The Power of Nightmares if it is shown in Canada; can't destroy the little fantasy world that you hold so dear. I mean without it, what would you do?
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