No. No quick clean death for the likes of him.
Make him live under the very worst conditions which he'd happily impose on somebody else, for twice as long as he thinks is reasonable for somebody else to suffer.
"Put 'Shameless' families through 2 years of Boot Camp Hell" says Tory
- Thread starter Balbi
- Start date
Make him live under the very worst conditions which he'd happily impose on somebody else, for twice as long as he thinks is reasonable for somebody else to suffer.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Oh well done! Blame the producers of entertainment, rather than the apparatus of state and media that perpetuate the stereotypes that "Shameless" and "The Royle Family" play on.
Twat.
richwill72
New Member
Are you a Tory? If it's not a personal question.they sold off all the unused army bases as soon as the last squaddies left.
although they can probably lease them back at 10X cost form whatever landlord thought a loads of Nissan huts in the middle of nowhere would be valuable investment g4s and crapita with no doubt be involved with this
so loads of cash spent and not even one chav thrown in a camp because that would be too difficult.
richwill72
New Member
Is someone having a cantankerous Sunday afternoon?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
it's a long way from fascism. Our current government may be coporative, but it isn't corporatist, and authoritarianism is, in the case of the UK, extremely relative. If we were under real authoritarianism, our ability to dissent would be thoroughly circumscribed, not merely curbed.
As for elitism, elitism has always been an element of any "top-down" form of governance. It's inherent to the system known as "parliamentary democracy", and to everything that extends from parliamentary democraacy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And those that were gullible, were either ideologically-motivated, and therefore blind to the essential bollocks of their claims, or were so stupid that they'd believe that yellow snow was sherbert if you told them it was, and deserved what they got.
richwill72
New Member
Incidentally wouldn't the producers of mainstream television programmes which seek to exploit and perpetuate stereotypes be part of that very media apparatus?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Why is it (at least in my personal experience) that "evangelical Christian" is so often shorthand for "socially-brutal, mendacious scumbag who justifies their antisocial tendencies through reference to ancient, irrelevant scripture"?
richwill72
New Member
E
Elitism can take many forms. This Government is proving itself to be extremely hostile to the very notion of democracy, hence their no-holds-barred promotion of corporate power.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
They're broadcast by the apparatus, and commissioning will partly be through the apparatus, but (outwith public television) they don't influence the content of what gets made. Much programming is independently-produced according to the predicates of the production company, not the predicates of the broadcast apparatus.
Now, if you'd been talking about the mainstream print media, you might have had a point!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That's a function of neoliberalism, something that's been present in British politics for 30 years, and something that's been obviously present too, so attributing it to "this government" misses any point whatsoever, with regard to addressing any problems to do with it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Scriptures in book form are mostly only good for emergency Rizla-age and arse-wiping duties, in my humble opinion.
richwill72
New Member
The producers of TV programmes don't influence the content of the programmes?
richwill72
New Member
There is something qualitatively different about this Government's application of neoliberal dogma. It is a realisation of neoliberalism's core aims, which are fundamentally incompatible with democracy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
richwill72
New Member
No. I was referring to your calling me a twat. Utterly uncalled-for abuse.Ah, I see. Anyone objecting to your anodyne formulations is being "cantankerous".
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Have I said that they don't?
Nope, I've said that the amount of influence the broadcast apparatus has on programming is much less than you assume, because most programming bought from external providers hasn't had the apparatus's influence in the production.
There's a big gap between commissioning programming and actually making it yourself, and that gap is growing wider with each year that passes, even for state outlets such as the BBC.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Because evangelical christians are cunts, and generally about as far from being 'christian' in terms of the way they actually treat people as it's possible to get. See also islamic fundamentalists, who seem to make it their mission to ignore all the fundamental principles or islam.
In the beginning there were cunts, then religion came along and gave them an excuse for being cunts. Get rid of religion and we'll just go back to having unafiliated, freelance cunts.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Speak like a twat, you get called a twat. We call it "robust language" here. Check the FAQs.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This is my experience of any and all religious zealots.
I'm perfectly willing to pass the time of day with what I'd call socially-tolerant religionists. I don't share their appetite for attributing events to some "greater power", but I can understand it. I'm not, however, willing to pass the time of day with people who frame every action, interaction and occurrence through reference to their particular scripture and the deity it represents. To do so is contrary to logic and reason.
Organised religion, politics and money. All hopelessly intertwined.
richwill72
New Member
No, you "cunt", you said 'they don't influence the content of what gets made'. Everything else you said is just pettifoggery.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Well, you've hit on the primary point - it's qualitatively different, because prior to the coalition, the idea that both the Labour and Conservative governments had was "neoliberalism ameliorated at the worst extremities to make it marginally-palatable", whereas "austerity" has provided an excuse (not a reason or even a justification) for removing the ameliorative factor from neoliberalism.
That's the only difference, though - the removal of any attempt at amelioration.
Neoliberalism's core aims have already been realised, through the supra-national agreements the state (and other states) have made, and of course they're fundamentally incompatible with democracy! That's the point of them, and why neoliberalism per se doesn't get mentioned by the Westminster cuckoos - they're busy participating in a simulacrum of democracy to distract from the reality that parliamentary democracy is a sham.
and get the private prison industry, etc to run them and you have a new growing part of the economy, monetise the poor!
tony.c
Well-Known Member
You will get to learn that some posters are cantankerous all week through.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
What I actually said was "but (outwith public television) they don't influence the content of what gets made", so it's hardly pettifoggery to elucidate on the difference between production and broadcast that I'd already made.
You muppet.
BTW, there's no need to put the word cunt in " "s. I've been called worse, and by much more menacing people.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You will get to learn that some posters are cantankerous all week through.
Good of you to admit your failings, tony!!!
Similar threads
