That has always been butcher's attitude.
"Please don't riot, it's just what they want"
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hiraethified
As you know, I have no time for loons and their poisonous nonsense, but just shunting up endless personal insults and abuse is only going to end up with users getting banned, in line with our rules.
krtek a houby
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I feel he needs to be less inflexible. Fundamentalism is a dangerous thing.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Thanks for telling me what I believe, i's so much easier than thinking for myself. I'm still patiently waiting for your guide as to what makes an acceptable post.
butchersapron
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Well why are you scared to say it? Say it. Don't you beleive what you believe?
taffboy gwyrdd
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Official Parliamentary business is on the record, and very often adversarial. You are scraping the barrel here. Away from official on the record adversarial business then yes, what goes on in parliament and councils often is conspiratorial by nature.
I apologise to Butchers and Pickmans. This post contains no vapid frothing insults, so may have lost some impact.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I already did. Not that anyone has spoken to my point about any sociological definition of "conspiracy theory" that deviates from the English Language. But why bother answering my points or noticing that I have spoken to some of yours when there are pompous insults to cast around the place?
butchersapron
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Okl, what have i missed. What points have been ignored? Can you re-state them or point to where you made them.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Gladio. What was that about? (notably the Bologna massacre)
my request with regards to what makes a "conspiracy theory" anything other than a theory about a conspiracy?
Me denouncing various kneejerk conspiracy theorists and their habits (ETA: including those that are to do with the thread topic)
Are you as patient? Of course not. "rigour" is one thing, as are "terseness" and even "cumodgeonly". But you are now taking them to extremes to the extent that people bemoan you joining a thread and your pointless insults are threatened with warnings. I have been trying to figure my way past polar opposite arguements in this debate that both strike me as flawed. Posters like Frogwoman and Spineynorman have responded to that and tossed ideas back and forth, very often disagreeing with me but generally politely. Please have a think about that.
my request with regards to what makes a "conspiracy theory" anything other than a theory about a conspiracy?
Me denouncing various kneejerk conspiracy theorists and their habits (ETA: including those that are to do with the thread topic)
Are you as patient? Of course not. "rigour" is one thing, as are "terseness" and even "cumodgeonly". But you are now taking them to extremes to the extent that people bemoan you joining a thread and your pointless insults are threatened with warnings. I have been trying to figure my way past polar opposite arguements in this debate that both strike me as flawed. Posters like Frogwoman and Spineynorman have responded to that and tossed ideas back and forth, very often disagreeing with me but generally politely. Please have a think about that.
SpineyNorman
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Nope - people who believe there's a living city under the sea, that aliens were assisting the Nazis in world war two and that teh jooz did 9/11 in order to fulfill the plans in the protocols are loons.
Sorry if that makes you feel all oppressed you whining div.
SpineyNorman
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And you don't believe that there's rival and competing factions among the political elites at all levels? Including some who are opposed to whatever agenda it is you're ascribing to the Bilderbergers?
taffboy gwyrdd
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I do believe that. I think I've said as much on this thread. There are bound to be competing factions and little conspiracies among and between them.
taffboy gwyrdd
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No one I ever heard with a belief in a pre-deluvian civilisation of some sophistication ever proposed that it was "living"
If aliens had assisted the nazis I expect the nazis might have had more success in the end, but the nazis were obsessed with all sorts of stuff like that as discussed upthread.
I did, separately, read an amusing account of Stalin's supposed furious response when he was told that the US had recovered alien craft.
As I've also said upthread, there are too many people who seek to blame "the jews" for things. It is inaccurate, biggoted and lazy. (well one is "too many" but you get my point, it is alarmingly prevalent)
Equating questioning of the many and complex official narratives surrounding 911 with blaming "the jews" would be equally inaccurate and lazy.
And it happens. Quite a lot.
butchersapron
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Gladio happened. In what way is that a green light for believing anything? In what way is that a green light for dropping criticall faculties? Gladio is the best ever an anti-loon case.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Oh I see, so it's only a conspiracy theory if it isn't true.
Not if it's a theory about a conspiracy, which is what the words would actually indicate.
Thanks for laying out what you think so helpfully.
That may explain a lot about the Iraq WMD lies. Did Saddam actually have "45 minute capacity" till we found it was a constructed lie to mislead us?
Are you advancing a clever kind of quantum theory in which we hop between different universes according to which one might prove you right?
Next time you scoff at me for lack of logic or "can't win" arguements I'll know how hollow and ill founded your own logic can be - "it's not true, you're a deluded fuckwit" or "it's true, that proves you're a deluded fuckwit"
The fact that a false flag was used to discredit a rival political outlook is evidence that such things happen. Unless they all sat around afterward, said "well that kinda worked, won't bother doing it again then".
butchersapron
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I'm advancing a method of critical interrogation. You''re just saying that any old shit might be true. Fuck off, you're an idiot.
butchersapron
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No, if it's true. Quite simple.
butchersapron
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Big up tony blair andt he WMD. Case is proven
taffboy gwyrdd
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critical interrogation is exactly what any conspiracy theory should be subject to.
Some stuff is more outlandish than others and less likely to be true from the outset.
Sorry for not swearing.
How's the guidelines comming along? I'd hate to think that you have to swear at so many poor people for not reaching your exacting standards. Bad for the blood pressure.
Also you haven't answered whether a "conspiracy theory" is a theory about a conspiracy or something more opaque than what the mere English language might imply.
Another point and question made without swearing and insults. See, it is possible. Believe in yourself.
taffboy gwyrdd
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The case is proven that we were lied to, people must have colluded to come up with and propagate the lie. Ergo, a conspiracy.
butchersapron
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Nothing xists: they didn't find WMD
Everything exists: look at at gladio
Oh how can i sail a ship,between these fortunes. You're a massive naive cock taffboy. Games up. You massive cock.
Everything exists: look at at gladio
Oh how can i sail a ship,between these fortunes. You're a massive naive cock taffboy. Games up. You massive cock.
butchersapron
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I can find little better evidence for abandoning all trad inquiries. The ones with evidence and supporting arguments.
butchersapron
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If, after critical interrogation, you beleive in atlantis and prehistoric spacemen, then sorry, you're a joke. A joke.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Games up Butchers. You wantonly misconstrue, put words in mouths, shift goalposts, engage in doublethink, and you can't even do it without swearing.
Ain't up to much is it? You can sure dole it out, and that's got to be accpeted to an extent, cos it's the internet. But I ain't so sure you can take it. Where are the guidelines?
taffboy gwyrdd
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I have no firm beliefs on that stuff. I wouldn't discuss it with you anyhow, it's way way off topic.
As to wether some nefarious controlling elite want us to riot: If they exist I don't think they give much of a shit if we riot or not.
butchersapron
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If, you have no firm beliefs then it's just the same as believing mad loon shit - but with less honesty. How can you even be half minded about this crap?
butchersapron
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Get some firm beliefs then shaprish.
taffboy gwyrdd
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And the faulty logic continues to parade itself: To not have a firm belief is the same as having a belief? I am actually starting to doubt your intelligence for the first time in many years.
Anyway, the young folks have a saying. It goeth: "whatever".
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hiraethified
So you think there might have prehistoric spacemen?
butchersapron
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Lord, how hard is it to say no that you don't believe in fucking Atlantis spacmen. Pretty hard, because you do. Grow up. There is no way you can spin this to your benefit. No possible way. There is no way in which your views become normal.
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