People like Louis CK and Norm Macdonald and Joe Rogan and Nick Mullen and so on and so on...

[8ball]

I'm an optimist because we only realised that in my lifetime and the idea of the mind is modern history, we might be fixed in a couple of generations

I’ve no idea what that last bit means.

 

[freakydave]

I’ve no idea what that last bit means.

When I was a kid being gay was something that would fuck your life up, racism was not allowed but it was not a big deal to be racist. A teenager now just couldn't relate to that

 

[petee]

i've never watched the other three. macdonald i've watched alot and he can be brilliantly funny, and he can be reactionary and crude and merely provoking.

 

[Orang Utan]

I find optimism in the fact that everyone is a bit weird. You grow up thinking that you are weird because you have something wrong with you, and then you live in the real world and everyone has something wrong with them.

tell that to the Greeks!

 

[Orang Utan]

When I was a kid being gay was something that would fuck your life up, racism was not allowed but it was not a big deal to be racist. A teenager now just couldn't relate to that

Are you not paying attention to what's going on around the world right now?

 

[freakydave]

Are you not paying attention to what's going on around the world right now?

I think that that is a last stand sort of thing. Capitalism is failing and we are all poor, but society has progressed a lot. Just even the bullshit version of what you are meant to do was racist and homophobic when I was a kid

 

[freakydave]

when our parents were kids they only knew about 3 mental illnesses lol

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Yes, everyone is a mixed bag of good and bad stuff, and in this case the bad led to him doing some pretty bad stuff. The bits that people will find meaningful relate to the common human experience and his manner of expressing thoughts about it.

The "pedestal" element is part of the problem. Picasso was a shit to women, Shakespeare an anti-Semite, we could go on. Maybe we should have pre-emptive caveats so that no one ends up on a pedestal.

edit: I think mostly, these kinds of arguments become a distraction from considering how we could stop such abuses continuing to happen in the future.

Not all artists.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Not all arses are arses.

 

[existentialist]

I think part of the issue is about whether you stop considering someone a good comedian when you stop considering them a good person. It's part of an old and thorny argument.

Yes, I quite carefully swerved that point . I can think of people who've said things that I thought were hilarious, but who were clearly not particularly nice people IRL. FWIW, I enjoy Van Morrison's music, but am aware that he's a complete and utter curmudgeonly miserable bastard to work with. Some separation is fine...but if someone's going to big up an artist with baggage, it's an inevitable consequence that the baggage is going to end up being part of the debate.

 

[freakydave]

Well I'm sure that at least 50% of people on here will agree with me that David Bowie was a hero, but he wasn't a nice person until he got old.

 

[freakydave]

wow, i just love this shovel

 

[Reno]

wow, i just love this shovel

The one you are digging your grave with ?

 

[freakydave]

The one you are digging your grave with ?

No I'm using it to club women to drag back to my cave

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I watch/listen to the occasional JR podcast. If it's a guest I find offensive, boring or am just not that interested in, I don't bother. The idea that JR is a gateway to the right is nonsense. Many of his opinions would put him on the liberal left. What he does seem to be against is the more censorious left - as am I... The person that got into me Joe was a U.S. woman of Mexican lineage, who I can assure you definitely isn't a Trump supporter.

 

[8ball]

I watch/listen to the occasional JR podcast. If it's a guest I find offensive, boring or am just not that interested in, I don't bother. The idea that JR is a gateway to the right is nonsense. Many of his opinions would put him on the liberal left. What he does seem to be against is the more censorious left - as am I... The person that got into me Joe was a U.S. woman of Mexican lineage, who I can assure you definitely isn't a Trump supporter.

He's definitely quite left-wing by USA standards. I don’t particularly mind people doing interviews with problematic people if it shows them up for what they are. The thing with anyone who interviews controversial guests is that we’re not going to agree.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

I don't now who any of these people are.

That's interesting, because I'm sure you've responded to a post about JR in the past.

 

[editor]

That's interesting, because I'm sure you've responded to a post about JR in the past.

If I did, I have zero recollection of it.

 

[Steel Icarus]

A search says you had a brief look at a Twitter spat in 2013 in which you thought Rogan seemed like an arse. Not surprised you don't remember it!

 

[8ball]

If I did, I have zero recollection of it.

Well, none of us are as young as we used to be.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

He's definitely quite left-wing by USA standards. I don’t particularly mind people doing interviews with problematic people if it shows them up for what they are. The thing with anyone who interviews controversial guests is that we’re not going to agree.

He's left on some things, right on other things. He's quite into guns, but does make the argument hunting for food is way more humane than factory farming... If I don't 100% agree with him on everything, I can usually at least see the logic of where he's coming from. Americans are generally weird politically though. A JR debate crept into another thread recently and it was brought up how different the US view on Israel is to the view of the 'average' UK person.

 

[Orang Utan]

He's definitely quite left-wing by USA standards. I don’t particularly mind people doing interviews with problematic people if it shows them up for what they are. The thing with anyone who interviews controversial guests is that we’re not going to agree.

you're mistaking left-wing with right-wing libertarianism

 

[Johnny Vodka]

you're mistaking left-wing with right-wing libertarianism

He was backing Bernie Sanders. Also has a liking for Tulsi Gabbard. More left wing in some areas than what the current Democrats are offering.

 

[8ball]

you're mistaking left-wing with right-wing libertarianism

You’re confusing ignorance with knowledge.

 

[fishfinger]

He was backing Bernie Sanders. Also has a liking for Tulsi Gabbard. More left wing in some areas than what the current Democrats are offering.

He's so left wing, he's going to vote for Trump

 

[Johnny Vodka]

He's so left wing, he's going to vote for Trump

Is that confirmed? He said he would definitely have voted for Bernie, but made noises that if Bernie wasn't the nominee, he might vote Trump. Dunno if that's still on the cards.. I'd hope he comes to his senses.

 

[Orang Utan]

He's not left-wing, he's libertarian. He doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. He's just for individual rights.

 

[fishfinger]

Is that confirmed? He said he would definitely have voted for Bernie, but made noises that if Bernie wasn't the nominee, he might vote Trump. Dunno if that's still on the cards.. I'd hope he comes to his senses.

Joe Rogan would 'rather vote for Trump than Biden' after endorsing Sanders

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Joe Rogan would 'rather vote for Trump than Biden' after endorsing Sanders

Yup, that's old, though. As I said, I hope he's changed his mind. There doesn't appear to be any recent statement.

 

[Marty1]

Joe Rogan acts as a platform for a number of alt-right figures and starts people into that pipeline.

https://datasociety.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/DS_Alternative_Influence.pdf

Joe Rogan certainly has a very diverse guest line up.

He’s not a scared little mouse hiding behind the curtains.