People like Louis CK and Norm Macdonald and Joe Rogan and Nick Mullen and so on and so on...

[rutabowa]

I’ve obv been out of the loop but am happy to remain ignorant of this particular joke.

It's not just one joke or person, pretty much every special put out by an american male comedian in the last few years has some version of it.

"ohh well I identify as a HELICOPTER lol!" SHUT UP SHUT UP

tbf I don't think this applies to norm macdonald to my knowledge, he tends to not do hacky stuff. But def Louis ck and dave chappelle (and i'm sure joe rogan if I could bear subjecting myself to more than a fraction of a second of him) do it. I happen to think Dave Chappelle is the greatest comedian who ever lived, but I've got no problem slating him for some stuff he says.

 

[freakydave]

I'm asking who you would think is an expert on school shootings and why the testimony of an eye witness would be of no interest. 'Experts' is not an answer.

People who understand child psychology, or pedagogy, or knew the killers, for example
It would be ridiculous to ask a normal high school student who hadn't been in a shooting to be an expert witness. These kids were in a famous one, they managed to hide or escape, they don't know why it happened though.

And that is him taking an opinion to be funny not something offered up for debate.. What is funny is that they are completely normal high school children being treated by the most powerful people in the land as experts

 

[maomao]

It's not just one joke or person, pretty much every special put out by an american male comedian in the last few years has some version of it.

"ohh well I identify as a HELICOPTER lol!" SHUT UP SHUT UP

They're just boring. Telling you, 'you shouldn't say that'... what are you, an old lady? 'That's not appropriate' – f*** you, you're a child. They're like royalty, they tell you what to call them. 'You should address me as they/them because I identify as gender neutral.' OK. You should address me as 'there' because I identify as a location, and the location is your mother's c***.

I'll say one thing for him, he knows his audience.

 

[discokermit]

he tends to not do hacky stuff.

unless he's telling jokes that are a hundred years old and were bad to begin with.

 

[maomao]

People who understand child psychology, or pedagogy, or knew the killers, for example
It would be ridiculous to ask a normal high school student who hadn't been in a shooting to be an expert witness. These kids were in a famous one, they managed to hide or escape, they don't know why it happened though.

And that is him taking an opinion to be funny not something offered up for debate.. What is funny is that they are completely normal high school children being treated by the most powerful people in the land as experts

They were giving evidence on the impact of school shootings, not medical opinions you nasty prick.

 

[rutabowa]

I'll say one thing for him, he knows his audience.

I mean I am also his audience, but that joke is dogshit and vile. It isn't in any of his edited specials.

 

[two sheds]

People who understand child psychology, or pedagogy, or knew the killers, for example
It would be ridiculous to ask a normal high school student who hadn't been in a shooting to be an expert witness. These kids were in a famous one, they managed to hide or escape, they don't know why it happened though.

And that is him taking an opinion to be funny not something offered up for debate.. What is funny is that they are completely normal high school children being treated by the most powerful people in the land as experts

They're not going to be treated as experts in child psychology, or pedagogy, or someone who knew the killers though are they? They're going to be treated as schoolkids who know what it's like to go through a school shooting and losing friends.

What do you think of Alex Jones' take on it by the way? Presumably that's acceptable too.

 

[rutabowa]

unless he's telling jokes that are a hundred years old and were bad to begin with.

quite. If anyone hasn't heard him before then oh my god this is probably the finest 5 minutes of joke ever recorded

 

[freakydave]

They were giving evidence on the impact of school shootings, not medical opinions you nasty prick.

I'm not taking a position, I am explaining a joke.

 

[maomao]

I mean I am also his audience, but that joke is dogshit and vile. It isn't in any of his edited specials.

He doesn't get edited specials anymore.

 

[maomao]

quite. If anyone hasn't heard him before then oh my god this is probably the finest 5 minutes of joke ever recorded

From the little I watched just now he does seem quite funny but I'm now suspicious he has some sort of agenda because of the people that the OP has associated him with here.

 

[Orang Utan]

By saying it's funny you are defending him and you are stupid to not notice that.

Wtf. If that’s what you think, it’s you who’s the stupid one

 

[rutabowa]

From the little I watched just now he does seem quite funny but I'm now suspicious he has some sort of agenda because of the people that the OP has associated him with here.

It's like I said in my first post, unfortunately he has a lot of fans on youtube who are red pill dicks so occasionally gets lumped in there... but I've watched so much of his stuff and I think he really has no agenda other than old school comedy. Again I don't know him as a person obviously.

 

[freakydave]

They're not going to be treated as experts in child psychology, or pedagogy, or someone who knew the killers though are they? They're going to be treated as schoolkids who know what it's like to go through a school shooting and losing friends.

What do you think of Alex Jones' take on it by the way? Presumably that's acceptable too.

Well I think that Alex Jones is also doing entertainment, but he tried to become a serious person and that was his downfall. I'm glad that he had a downfall because he had it coming

Alex Jones has been around forever peddling rubbish and accusing everyone of everything to tie into some weird Protocols of Zion conspiracy theory. My take on all of that malarkey is that it's a failure of people in power, and us as people who want to be positive to offer an alternative. It's very comforting and easy to think the worst, especially when it's in some mad story like the one that he has constructed.

 

[rutabowa]

What do you think of Alex Jones' take on it by the way? Presumably that's acceptable too.

alex jones isn't a comedian.

 

[Orang Utan]

Alex Jones is no better than those Rwandan radio DJs who encouraged Hutus to murder Tutsis.

 

[rutabowa]

He doesn't get edited specials anymore.

I mean he definitely does. There was one out in April this year I just checked.

Not put out by netflix or amazon or anything, but they never were on first release anyway, they were put out through his website.

 

[maomao]

I mean he definitely does. There was one out in April this year I just checked.

Not put out by netflix or amazon or anything, but they never were on first release anyway, they were put out through his website.

You're right, sorry. I hadn't realised he had released stuff at all.

 

[existentialist]

Joe Rogan is also the odd one out because he's not a comedian, he's a podcast hustler who I suspect is used by people who are cleverer than him. Also way richer than all the others.

He seems tremendously popular amongst a certain type of yootful male. I seem to have spent rather too long pointing out why "edgy" humour isn't always funny, and is often nasty. I think they're thinking, "OK, grandad, what would you know?" when I get going...

 

[maomao]

I'm not taking a position, I am explaining a joke.

You've previously explicitly defended his sexual abuse but you won't go as far as defending his comedy?

 

[existentialist]

Ok I didn't write that well. I was drunk. The reason that I tied them all together is because they are all wildly successful and they have filled some gap in pop culture. Louis and Rogan are from the same generation of comedians and, like Marc Maron and Bill Burr, they are a part of some thing that is interesting in itself how stand upcomedy has been elevated in the USA. I would equate it to how liberal people like Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert kind of replaced the news for a time,. But let's start with Joe Rogan

He has the most successful podcast in the English speaking world and people take him very seriously, it's ridiculous to write him off. I mean even if you don't like him, aren't you interested why this guy has the most popular podcast in the world where he does 2 or 3 hour long unscripted interviews?
He gets people like Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk to come and do 2 hour long interviews, he had Bernie Sanders on and endorsed him which was front page news in the USA, it's redundant to just say 'I don't like his podcast'
I think that the association that he got with the 'alt-right' was very interesting in itself because you can see the path, he had a load of those (shudders to say it) 'intellectual dark web' people like Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris on and they were wildly popular, and then he started having these alt-right people, but he seems to be moving away from that because those people are pretty toxic.

"popular" != "good"

 

[discokermit]

 

[freakydave]

From the little I watched just now he does seem quite funny but I'm now suspicious he has some sort of agenda because of the people that the OP has associated him with here.

I shouldn't have put him in with them. He has been accused of being a right winger and so on but I think that he's just kind of a one off. There is a group of top comedians right now like Burr, Rogan, Louis etc who you could fit into a category but Norm shouldn't go into that category

 

[AmateurAgitator]

This is an analysis of the Louis CK material, featuring the material itself, by a guy that does stand-up:



It's obviously just a hatefull dig at victims of a school shooting and nothing more.

 

[belboid]

top comedians right now like Burr, Rogan, Louis

None of them are top comedians

 

[Clair De Lune]

From the little I watched just now he does seem quite funny but I'm now suspicious he has some sort of agenda because of the people that the OP has associated him with here.

Crazy concept but you are allowed to find stand alone jokes funny even if the person telling them is a prize bellend. Everyone is funny sometimes.

Louis CK is harder to find funny these days because he gives me the creeps, but it could still happen snd his early stuff was occasionally hilarious.

I find Rogan irritating but did watch one interview the other day as it sounded interesting. His voice just grates on me more than anything as my ex was always listening to him and I do recall hearing him say some questionable things.

 

[freakydave]

You've previously explicitly defended his sexual abuse but you won't go as far as defending his comedy?

I didn't defend his sexual abuse, I think that the reaction was over the top and about something else. What actually happened is just one of those things where you just go 'eugh'. He was treated as if he was going around raping people, the actual stuff that we know seems more like he was kind of weird guy for a bit. I am so in favour of the way that all of these famous rapists and creeps have been outed and how it brought light on so much sex stuff that everyone always knew wasn't ok being given a pass, but I think with something like what he did, it's just 'yes, it wasn't ok, apologise'
I've had experiences like that as the victim with men and women and I'm a straight man. I know it's worse for women, I've never crossed that line but I have crossed other lines and I think that everyone does.

I defend the joke as well. It wasn't a particularly good joke, it was a recording by someone at a gig he did when he was playing in small clubs after disappearing for a year. I honestly think that you should be able to try to make anything funny. Chris Morris is always the go to, he made a 40 minute long special about paedophiles and is probably still one of the funniest things that has ever been on TV

 

[maomao]

I didn't defend his sexual abuse, I think that the reaction was over the top and about something else. What actually happened is just one of those things where you just go 'eugh'. He was treated as if he was going around raping people, the actual stuff that we know seems more like he was kind of weird guy for a bit.

That's you downplaying sexual assault again. You previously said that his sexual assault of two women in a hotel room was okay because they went to his room and he asked permission. Ignoring the bit about him blocking the door while still masturbating so they couldn't leave. Not a line I've crossed myself.

 

[freakydave]

That's you downplaying sexual assault again. You previously said that his sexual assault of two women in a hotel room was okay because they went to his room and he asked permission. Ignoring the bit about him blocking the door while still masturbating so they couldn't leave. Not a line I've crossed myself.

He asked twice and they said yes. They said that they felt that they couldn't leave, you make it sound like he physically restrained them which is not even alleged. The actual account by the victims is that they went along with it because they thought that it was a joke and then when he actually did it they felt too freaked out to leave.
Like I said, it's not ok, and it's not something that I would ever do, but it's more in the category of someone getting their dick out at a party.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Put down the shovel. You're deep enough.