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Pc David Rathband (Raoul Moat victim) dead

DotCommunist said:
queen and country rather than queen country and govmnt/police?

Certainly some of the EDL rhetoric I have read leans towards condeming OB for being tools of a neo-marxist state who only go to town on white on minority crimes and ignore muslim on white crimes.

Mind you I might have that wrong, the views aren't expressed with much coherency.
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I think their stance on the police is incoherent because of your point in the first sentence.

On the one hand the police are obviously enforcers of ZOG. On the other, they must practice a lot of my enemy's enemy is my friend as theyre more than happy to collaborate with the police when it suits. Its certainly not uncommon to see fash fighting alongside old bill where anti capitalist protests etc are concerned. Plus they enjoy uniforms and hierarchy and all that jazz which the police embodies. It's their natural ally.
 
Meanwhile, another family has to grieve the loss of a loved one at the hands of the police. Will we see the same compassion from the lovers of the custodes.
 
Andrew Hertford said:
I'll leave when I'm good and ready, jerk.

I assumed the thread was about somebody who'd just died in tragic circumstances. Show some fucking respect.

What totally amazes me is that in a post where I genuinely sympathise with Rathband's family, you stumble in and have a hiisy-fit over the bit about Moat having admirers on the far right, (which the link proves he does - unless you think Louise Baldock made those comments up). Why the fuck does it worry you that he has? Are you a secret Moat admirer yourself? Were you hoping to claim him for your own little clique of anarcho-toffs or something?
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What you said is that moat was a folk hero on the far right, not that a sprinkling of fash thought he was a Good Thing. A folk hero is someone like robin hood, for who there is widespread admiration, not someone who attracts the support of a few people.
 
Pickman's model said:
What you said is that moat was a folk hero on the far right, not that a sprinkling of fash thought he was a Good Thing. A folk hero is someone like robin hood, for who there is widespread admiration, not someone who attracts the support of a few people.
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To be fair, I said he was "a bit of a folk hero" and if I'd known it was going to be be such a big deal I'd have added "to some" after that. It was only an aside and the point of my post was to show sympathy for Rathband and more pointedly sympathy for his poor family. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that every right wing fruitcake in the UK had erected a Raoul Moat shrine in their living room.

But I'm intrigued as to why a few on the far right did sympathise with Moat. Isn't there an element within the far right that is violently anti-state? (McVeigh, Breivik). Could it be that they saw Moat as some kind of romantic loner hero taking on the full might of the state?
 
Andrew Hertford said:
To be fair, I said he was "a bit of a folk hero" and if I'd known it was going to be be such a big deal I'd have added "to some" after that. It was only an aside and the point of my post was to show sympathy for Rathband and more pointedly sympathy for his poor family. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that every right wing fruitcake in the UK had erected a Raoul Moat shrine in their living room.

But I'm intrigued as to why a few on the far right did sympathise with Moat. Isn't there an element within the far right that is violently anti-state? (McVeigh, Breivik). Could it be that they saw Moat as some kind of romantic loner hero taking on the full might of the state?
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to be fair you're something of a pedant.
 
Andrew Hertford said:
To be fair, I said he was "a bit of a folk hero" and if I'd known it was going to be be such a big deal I'd have added "to some" after that. It was only an aside and the point of my post was to show sympathy for Rathband and more pointedly sympathy for his poor family. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that every right wing fruitcake in the UK had erected a Raoul Moat shrine in their living room.

But I'm intrigued as to why a few on the far right did sympathise with Moat. Isn't there an element within the far right that is violently anti-state? (McVeigh, Breivik). Could it be that they saw Moat as some kind of romantic loner hero taking on the full might of the state?
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Well, you're the one wasting your time reading their posts about it - you tell us.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Quite. He couldn't get past the fact that he'd been blinded - an injury that a couple of dozen British soldiers have suffered in Iraq and Afghanistan, and have dealt with without the visible and voluminous self-pity that Mr. Rathband displayed, without taking their sense of helplessness and anger out on others physically. I'm not pulling an ACAB line here, by the way, I'm stating a simple fact: Moat did him the injury, but everything after that was a path that Rathband decided to go down, including not accepting the fact of his injury and the changes such an injury wreak on your life.
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Oh dear me :rolleyes:
 
ViolentPanda said:
So what?
I've seen people go into the meat-grinder and come out the other side with far worse injuries than Mr. Rathband, and then suck up all the self-pity and despair and get on with life. Yes, I'm judging him. I'm judging him because, from my perspective, he was a weak man who took the easy way out despite all the help and assistance offered to him. Am I supposed to respect him for killing himself? Am I supposed to hold back from stating my opinion of his actions because someone might find it offensive that I do so?
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Oh dear dear dear me :facepalm:
 
I think Violent Panda's posts a re bit overly judgmental but atleast VP wouldn't have wanted to have stripped the poor fucks pension off him.
 
revol68 said:
I think Violent Panda's posts are bit overly judgmental but atleast VP wouldn't have wanted to have stripped the poor fucks pension off him.
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I've said myself on this thread that I am being judgemental, but obviously trampie wanted to ignore that so he could come over all self-righteous.

And trampie doesn't want to strip all the money off of public sector workers, he just wants to drag everyone down to his level. I mean, I know he'll protest that what he actually wants is for everyone to get a similar high pension, but we both know that that ain't going to happen, so where can his ideas go from there? Downward. :)
 
ViolentPanda said:
I've said myself on this thread that I am being judgemental, but obviously trampie wanted to ignore that so he could come over all self-righteous.

And trampie doesn't want to strip all the money off of public sector workers, he just wants to drag everyone down to his level. I mean, I know he'll protest that what he actually wants is for everyone to get a similar high pension, but we both know that that ain't going to happen, so where can his ideas go from there? Downward. :)
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Aint going to happen, if that is the case shouldnt there be some equalling out then, the elitism on this board is shocking, im alright jack types .
 
revol68 said:
I think Violent Panda's posts a re bit overly judgmental but atleast VP wouldn't have wanted to have stripped the poor fucks pension off him.
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VP posts a bit judgemental you say...hmm. PS i dont want to take his pension off him.
 
trampie said:
Aint going to happen, if that is the case shouldnt there be some equalling out then, the elitism on this board is shocking, im alright jack types .
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You keep on chuntering out the same lines, and they're just as worthless and irrelevant as they were last time you used them. People are "elitist" because they don't agree with your cockamamie plan (a plan for which you have no funding mechanism, not even the ghost of an idea for one), and that they're "I'm alright, Jack" because they can see that there's no mechanism, and you can't.

How can you "equal out"? Where and who do you take money from to do so?
Are you going to take money from the 30% of public sector workers who do actually get a worthwhile pension?
Are you going to put a flat tax on public sector pensions (making the 70% of public sector workers with crappy pensions suffer even more)? Are you going to up corporation tax?

Rather than just mouthing off like a gobshite Welsh Tory cunt, why not put some meat on the bones of your ideas?
 
ViolentPanda said:
You keep on chuntering out the same lines, and they're just as worthless and irrelevant as they were last time you used them. People are "elitist" because they don't agree with your cockamamie plan (a plan for which you have no funding mechanism, not even the ghost of an idea for one), and that they're "I'm alright, Jack" because they can see that there's no mechanism, and you can't.

How can you "equal out"? Where and who do you take money from to do so?
Are you going to take money from the 30% of public sector workers who do actually get a worthwhile pension?
Are you going to put a flat tax on public sector pensions (making the 70% of public sector workers with crappy pensions suffer even more)? Are you going to up corporation tax?

Rather than just mouthing off like a gobshite Welsh Tory cunt, why not put some meat on the bones of your ideas?
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This thread is about Mr Rathband, the pension thread is over there.......................................
 
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