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Pc David Rathband (Raoul Moat victim) dead

Any views on the domestic violence at all?
Back on the old monsters vs the rest of us schtick?

Domestic violence is not acceptable. That does not make those who commit it subhuman. People can crack under pressure in all sorts of ways. Understanding that is not the same thing as excusing their actions, but refusing to understand it guarantees that the problem is perpetuated instead of addressed. Simple-minded condemnation is the standard extreme right-wing authoritarian approach. People do bad things because they are bad people and there is no need to look at the context of their actions.

Surprised at you.
 
Back on the old monsters vs the rest of us schtick?

Domestic violence is not acceptable. That does not make those who commit it subhuman. People can crack under pressure in all sorts of ways. Understanding that is not the same thing as excusing their actions, but refusing to understand it guarantees that the problem is perpetuated instead of addressed. Simple-minded condemnation is the standard extreme right-wing authoritarian approach. People do bad things because they are bad people and there is no need to look at the context of their actions.

Surprised at you.
so spanky leghorn is an extreme right-wing authoritarian?

never figured you for the godwin type
 
Back on the old monsters vs the rest of us schtick?

Domestic violence is not acceptable. That does not make those who commit it subhuman. People can crack under pressure in all sorts of ways. Understanding that is not the same thing as excusing their actions, but refusing to understand it guarantees that the problem is perpetuated instead of addressed. Simple-minded condemnation is the standard extreme right-wing authoritarian approach. People do bad things because they are bad people and there is no need to look at the context of their actions.

Surprised at you.

This is irrelevent - I just asked whether this poster who is new to me had any comment on the DV allegations... Societies reaction to the very violence it fosters is something I agree with you on...
 
So very sad, but I'm no hypocrite he just came over very sad, upset, angry all negative, it seems he had marriage issues well before this horrific incident, entirely " NOT HIS FAULT ", hopefully his torment has ended, my oldest brother died of mental health issues so kinda understand, RIP David Rathband.

So punching the shit out of his missus was "entirely NOT HIS FAULT", eh?
 
This is irrelevent - I just asked whether this poster who is new to me had any comment on the DV allegations... Societies reaction to the very violence it fosters is something I agree with you on...
Why does he need to have any comment on the DV allegations if you agree with me? I apologise if I misread you, but the clear implication of your post was that a brief comment expressing sympathy with the guy's plight was not acceptable unless it specifically addressed the DV allegations. A bit like the period after 9/11 where you couldn't criticise the US without first saying how awful the attacks were - as if that couldn't be taken as read.
 
Back on the old monsters vs the rest of us schtick?

Domestic violence is not acceptable. That does not make those who commit it subhuman. People can crack under pressure in all sorts of ways. Understanding that is not the same thing as excusing their actions, but refusing to understand it guarantees that the problem is perpetuated instead of addressed. Simple-minded condemnation is the standard extreme right-wing authoritarian approach. People do bad things because they are bad people and there is no need to look at the context of their actions.

Surprised at you.

He hardly simple-mindedly condemned, did he? He asked whether that poster had any views on Rathband's domestic violence.
 
It was because he was a bad person and bad people do bad things. Obv.

Don't be fatuous.

The point isn't about "good" or "evil", about being "bad" or "good", it's about not excusing an act of violence to others through reference to some act of violence done to you, and that is obvious.
 
Why does he need to have any comment on the DV allegations if you agree with me? I apologise if I misread you, but the clear implication of your post was that a brief comment expressing sympathy with the guy's plight was not acceptable unless it specifically addressed the DV allegations.

I accept your apology. I was just innocently wondering if the new poster had any opinion on Rathband's well documented wife beating.
 
I think that post has been misunderstood, fwiw. The poster meant only to say that the incident was not his fault.

TBF, the poster's sentence runs "...it seems he had marriage issues well before this horrific incident, entirely " NOT HIS FAULT ".

Now, the poster may have crap punctuation, in which case you may have a point, or they may have meant that the lariage issues weren't his fault. Only the poster knows what they meant.
 
By the way most comment on RM on most of the media and internet seems to be based on the "fact" of his monsterhood.
Not on here, though, I would guess. I think the term 'monster' is mostly used to place a barrier between 'us' decent folk and 'them' wrong-doers. There is a case for it in the case of psychopaths, perhaps, because they genuinely do lack something the rest of us have. Moat was no psychopath, though.

In fact what I remember from the time was a show of a surprising amount of understanding towards him. Pity even.
 
Back on the old monsters vs the rest of us schtick?

Domestic violence is not acceptable. That does not make those who commit it subhuman. People can crack under pressure in all sorts of ways. Understanding that is not the same thing as excusing their actions, but refusing to understand it guarantees that the problem is perpetuated instead of addressed. Simple-minded condemnation is the standard extreme right-wing authoritarian approach. People do bad things because they are bad people and there is no need to look at the context of their actions.

Surprised at you.

Uh? There's was DV before the accident, and after. He was a snivlling toad. Draw a line!
 
I accept your apology. I was just innocently wondering if the new poster had any opinion on Rathband's well documented wife beating.
See, maybe I am still misreading you, but that sounds like more simple-minded condemnation to me.

The apology was conditional. If you think you are in a position to accept it, go for it. I'm not convinced by this apparently disingenuous wriggling though.
 
See, maybe I am still misreading you, but that sounds like more simple-minded condemnation to me.

The apology was conditional. If you think you are in a position to accept it, go for it. I'm not convinced by this apparently disingenuous wriggling though.

ok
 
Uh? There's was DV before the accident, and after. He was a snivlling toad. Draw a line!
How is that relevant? Unless you mindlessly assume that most people who end up hitting their partners think it's perfectly fine to do so, and that there's never any context unless they've suffered an identifiable physical trauma. :confused:

Domestic violence is never acceptable. People who commit it are out of control for whatever reason, very frequently because they were subject to or witnessed a great deal of violence as a kid. Their partners need protection and they need help. It's not difficult to grasp.
 
Jesus. Wife beaters are shit violent arseholes who skip about being SHIT VIOLENT ARSEHOLES amongst nice normal people. You're reaching :rolleyes:
 
Jesus. Wife beaters are shit violent arseholes who skip about being SHIT VIOLENT ARSEHOLES amongst nice normal people. You're reaching :rolleyes:
Here we go again. Monsters vs the rest of us. It's OK, they're subhuman, so there's no need to think about why these things happen because only bad people do them and I'm not a bad person so I don't have to think about it because I would never lose control under any circumstances, because I am a good person and good people don't do that. :rolleyes:
 
Here we go again. Monsters vs the rest of us. It's OK, they're subhuman, so there's no need to think about why these things happen because only bad people do them and I'm not a bad person so I don't have to think about it because I would never lose control under any circumstances, because I am a good person and good people don't do that. :rolleyes:
irony doesn't suit you.
 
Blinded Hero Vs Wifebeater Who Took the Easy Way Out? What's gonna tip this for me is if Elton John brings out Candle in the Wind 3. If he does, Rathband can fuck right off.
 
It's like summat out of Homer

Gazza, as he appeared in the Iliad

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