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kabbes said:
All good points. It needs to be backed up by examples from the top.

I think, to be fair to my own workplace, they really are trying and have been attempting to reinvent their working practices regarding this kind of thing anyway for the last few years. There’s still a long way to go but they are notably better than I can imagine a workplace being ten years ago and much better than many others I know today.
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Having worked in GI, I know just how...backwards some places can be. But these shiny start up type places don't even seem to appreciate a lot of their working practices are rubbish, never mind actually trying to improve them. :rolleyes:

FWIW, one of my team had a baby just before lockdown and I told him to do whatever works for him and absolutely meant it. So he has. It's all about trust and treating people like grownups. (I also suspect my 'ultimately it's just a job and your health and family are way more important than that so really don't worry about it, if there are any issues we can sort them out' is maybe not really the approved message from senior management but hey 🤷‍♀️ .)
 
Update: sister in law's father was moved into intensive care on Friday night, after a period when they couldn't transfer him there for lack of capacity. As of yesterday afternoon he was stable and in surprisingly good spirits, and I assume he wouldn't have been admitted to ICU if they didn't think he had a fighting chance, so there's hope yet. Hang in there John.
 
Sue said:
Having worked in GI, I know just how...backwards some places can be. But these shiny start up type places don't even seem to appreciate a lot of their working practices are rubbish, never mind actually trying to improve them. :rolleyes:

FWIW, one of my team had a baby just before lockdown and I told him to do whatever works for him and absolutely meant it. So he has. It's all about trust and treating people like grownups. (I also suspect my 'ultimately it's just a job and your health and family are way more important than that so really don't worry about it, if there are any issues we can sort them out' is maybe not really the approved message from senior management but hey 🤷‍♀️ .)
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One thing I’d add to this is that there is a, shall we say fortuitous, alignment between what is the human thing to do and what turns out to be economically beneficial to the company in the long run. The fact is that people who are less stressed and feel trusted, valued and happy in their workplace will work harder, more efficiently and more creatively as well as stay in place longer. The bigger, more forward-thinking firms have HR and management teams that have understood and embraced this research. They are thus willing to invest in the short-term (eg better maternity benefits) to achieve these enhanced long-term results. So the resulting policies feel progressive to the workers, but it’s less clear that if there was a trade-off between worker benefits and economic benefits that management would appear so humane in their approach.
 
kabbes said:
One thing I’d add to this is that there is a, shall we say fortuitous, alignment between what is the human thing to do and what turns out to be economically beneficial to the company in the long run. The fact is that people who are less stressed and feel trusted, valued and happy in their workplace will work harder, more efficiently and more creatively as well as stay in place longer. The bigger, more forward-thinking firms have HR and management teams that have understood and embraced this research. They are thus willing to invest in the short-term (eg better maternity benefits) to achieve these enhanced long-term results. So the resulting policies feel progressive to the workers, but it’s less clear that if there was a trade-off between worker benefits and economic benefits that management would appear so humane in their approach.
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Absolutely. I just find it strange that a lot of companies don't seem to get this. A long time ago, I worked for a very large, very well known tech company based in a business park. They had an absolutely excellent, subsidised, on site nursery. Quite a few colleagues told me that this alone had them tied into the company until their children went to primary school so potentially for the next three to four years. A very obvious and basic thing that retained employees and meant the number of women returning to work after maternity leave was very high.

Now obviously that isn't as easy for smaller companies/places in central London but with a bit of not that creative thinking...

I do take your point about the conflict between worker/economic benefits but if you can get some of this stuff in as a 'makes financial sense' thing, it's win-win.
 
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Just heard my cousin Susan passed away from covid last night, not seen her in years & I wasn't aware she had it, apparently only tested positive on Wednresday & taken into hospital on Friday, she was only in her late 50's and no other health issues, which is scary as I am the same age. :(

That's two people I've known that has died from this bastard virus, both in the last few days. :mad:
 
cupid_stunt said:
Just heard my cousin Susan passed away from covid last night, not seen her in years & I wasn't aware she had it, apparently only tested positive on Wednresday & taken into hospital on Friday, she was only in her late 50's and no other health issues, which is scary as I am the same age. :(

That's two people I've known that has died from this bastard virus, both in the last few days. :mad:
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Crickey that’s a shock, a young and well woman to die. So sorry x
 
Partner's cousin has just finished 2 weeks isolation - in her room, with her mum leaving meals outside the door - after there were cases at the call centre where she works.

Her younger sis is vulnerable (heart stuff) so they were being super careful.

His stepdad has a hernia, has been given some kind of body brace to wear, as all non-urgent operations currently on hold.
 
cupid_stunt said:
Just heard my cousin Susan passed away from covid last night, not seen her in years & I wasn't aware she had it, apparently only tested positive on Wednresday & taken into hospital on Friday, she was only in her late 50's and no other health issues, which is scary as I am the same age. :(

That's two people I've known that has died from this bastard virus, both in the last few days. :mad:
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condolences. May Susan rest in peace.
 
My girlfriend had decided to have assisted conception before we met (she's 38 and hadn't found anyone). I continued the relationship once she told me as I didn't really know if that was too much for me.
She got pregnant on the second cycle.

She got COVID on 27th Dec- we both isolated separately. I luckily didn't get any symptoms, but she got quite ill (not requiring any medical support, but more unwell than she'd been since hospitalised with pneumonia as a child). Then on day 12 she started having a miscarriage. Fucking hell.
 
kabbes said:
My work has been very understanding about COVID from well before the government instituted Lockdown 1. This week, we all got this email from the CEO (which I have shortened to remove introductory and end paragraphs that generally say take care etc)


It’s quite stark to me how some workplaces are understanding as per the above whilst others I read about in here are complete bastards. It’s not asking much just to be a little bit understanding but it does mean quite a lot to a lot of people to know that the pressure is off to try to be all-professional 9-5.
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We've had similar supportive emails from senior mgmt but not from my immediate local managers. It's really pissed me off so much i want to leave.
 
A colleague, who I last worked with last Tuesday, felt unwell on Thursday and got a positive result today. Not been told to self- isolate. Is that correct? Anyone know?
 
Sounds like you ought to be isolating to me - would your employer be difficult about it?

So I'm concluding we'll be doing our Passover seder without any of our family for a second year. It's last weekend of March - they might be able to start thinking about when limited household mixing might be possible by then but I can't see anything indoors will be an option at that point.
 
colacubes said:
You're supposed to self isolate if you've been in contact from 48 hours before they had symptoms or since, so sounds like you're on the cusp. Guidance here so it depends on how close the contact was. I reckon you're a pretty borderline case:

www.gov.uk

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Guidance for contacts of people with confirmed coronavirus (COVID-19) infection who do not live with the person

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Ta, don’t think I count as a contact going by these criteria:
A contact can be:

  • anyone who lives in the same household as someone with COVID-19 symptoms or who has tested positive for COVID-19
  • anyone who has had any of the following types of contact with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19 with a PCR test:
    • face-to-face contact including being coughed on or having a face-to-face conversation within one metre
    • been within one metre for one minute or longer without face-to-face contact
    • sexual contacts
    • been within 2 metres of someone for more than 15 minutes (either as a one-off contact, or added up together over one day)
    • travelled in the same vehicle or a plane
 
Orang Utan said:
A colleague, who I last worked with last Tuesday, felt unwell on Thursday and got a positive result today. Not been told to self- isolate. Is that correct? Anyone know?
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Are they even pretending to trace contacts any more? I don't even know tbh. I kind of assume Harding nips into the office once a month to collect her cheque and that's the extent of the whole operation.
 
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