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Bollocks is it neo-feudal. It's capitalism that km would have recognised in the c19. Neo-feudal my arse
P&O Ferries sacks workers and docks ships
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Exactly; irrespective of how the UK state tinkers with it's trading arrangements.
The great con that was the tory EU referendum.
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Starry Wisdom
To be fair brexit has hardly played itself out, and the lexit vote was, I think, for the opportunity for things to change in a positive way, not that things would definitely roll in a positive way. Maybe in five or ten years we'll see how brexit worked out in terms of creating that space - too soon to say now
magneze
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I assume that Labour are saying that they would repeal the problematic EU directive in order to strengthen workers rights?
Not to get into the benefits of Brexit here, but if it's true that this was enabled by EU law then it follows that the government should now be able to change this if they so wanted.
Not to get into the benefits of Brexit here, but if it's true that this was enabled by EU law then it follows that the government should now be able to change this if they so wanted.
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Starry Wisdom
A competent government, yes. One that knew what it was doing.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Even if they now change it, it won't make any difference to the workers sacked by P&O.
And for what it's worth, I don't expect either the current government or a hypothetical future Starmer-led Labour government will be rushing to change the law to give workers greater protection.
magneze
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Oh, I think they know what they're doing, hence the 'if they so wanted'. Looks like an open goal for some kind of opposition here - 'ok, P&O can't be challenged due to an EU directive that we still have on the statute books, will the government change that now that they have the power to do so?'
Trouble is of course, the opposition doesn't appear to know what they're doing either.
magneze
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Indeed, sad but true.
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Starry Wisdom
The opposition are in favour of what the government are doing, they just want to do it more efficientlyOh, I think they know what they're doing, hence the 'if they so wanted'. Looks like an open goal for some kind of opposition here - 'ok, P&O can't be challenged due to an EU directive that we still have on the statute books, will the government change that now that they have the power to do so?'
Trouble is of course, the opposition doesn't appear to know what they're doing either.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Just as a reminder, it was you who introduced the EU element to this morning's discussion.
But do you actually understand the reasons this extra clause was added? It seems to be something to do with something in an EU directive, but as far as I can see it's an amendment to UK legislation made by the UK government. Can you clarify? For example, does the EU directive require that member state governments remove the need to notify their own authorities or does it just add the need to notify in the flag country?
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Well, the only action that I can take will be to boycott P&O.
Not that my individual protest will make even a tiny ripple, but on principle, I'll still make it.
I hope the MCA keep impounding the ferries to take them to task over staff competencies etc for as long as it must be.
Not that my individual protest will make even a tiny ripple, but on principle, I'll still make it.
I hope the MCA keep impounding the ferries to take them to task over staff competencies etc for as long as it must be.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
True, but the 'choice' offered by the tory referendum did not include anything other than neoliberalism.
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Starry Wisdom
The choice was steady as she goes or rock the boat
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
That's one (nautically themed
) perception, but the vessel continues on its course towards the destination of ever more brutal neoliberalism with minor crew changes and maybe a slight tweak of the speed control ahead.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Uninterrupted neoliberal government since 30/09/76 whatever the party badging.
Local activists not too long ago were saying that they thought her and Charlie were still living together at their place in St. Margarets Bay (as it still wasn't on the market). As for the money, she's also got a second job related to dodgy housing builds in the Whitfield area of Dover and the Aylesham area near Canterbury. I've written a couple of articles about her.
So, the Government are unable to prosecute P&O ferries due to an EU Directive (bitterly ironic, given earlier attempts by Remain cranks to claim Brexit was to blame for the actions of P&O bosses) that removes the need for shipping companies to notify the Secretary of State and merely requires them to notify the country where the vessel is registered (which P&O didn’t bother doing either but I can’t see Bermuda being all that bothered).
P&O have already told Shapps that they’ll be ignoring his demand for reinstatement:
Defiant P&O Ferries chief refuses to rehire sacked workers or quit
The boss of P&O Ferries has said he will not resign or rehire dismissed crew, despite two of the company’s vessels being impounded over safety concerns.Peterwww.thetimes.co.uk
Workers face a choice of either acquiescing to the enhanced redundancy package, and thereby signing away their legal rights to go to ET, or risking it all at an ET.
This is the neo-feudal employment framework that Thatcher always longed for now fully visible. Every route to access to justice for workers closed off or too expensive to pursue.
So Chris Grayling has been writing EU directives on the sly, has he? Cheeky...
P&O Ferries sacks workers and docks ships
They might simply have calculated that whatever penalty they might end up having to pay, the wage savings are large enough that it still adds up for them financially.
www.urban75.net
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Starry Wisdom
We'll seeThat's one (nautically themed
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Honestly, having reached my seventh decade, I'm not even convinced of that. Not sure I'll be around long enough to see any of the promised port stops on this cruise.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Sure you'll be around for Johnson's ignominious demise
and farage's final humiliation 
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Not often I agree with you Sasaferrato but you are quite right here. Also, can't remember who said it, but Thatcher's greatest success was none other than Tony Blair. But then, as brogdale points out, it's been uninterupted neoliberalism for decades.
Labour is a thoroughly anti-working class organisation, and becoming ever more so by the minute.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Interview with the Dutch dockers' union:
piped.kavin.rocks
RMT out in Portsmouth tomorrow:
As well as Cairnryan on the 8th:
Piped
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RMT out in Portsmouth tomorrow:
P&O / DP World protest in Portsmouth tomorrow
Seafarers union RMT will hold a demonstration at the Portsmouth Continental Ferry Port this Friday 1st April 2022 starting at 11.15 AM.
www.rmt.org.uk
As well as Cairnryan on the 8th:
RMT confirms further protests in Liverpool and Scotland in fight to save P&O jobs
RMT confirms further protests in Liverpool and Scotland in fight to save P&O jobs
www.rmt.org.uk
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
How long, I wonder, before the Government decides to cut funding to the MCA to make it more difficult for them to take such actions?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
More bad news for P&O:
Council excludes P&O Ferries from Cairnryan green freeport bid
The local authority in Dumfries and Galloway says the firm has no place in its plans for Cairnryan.
www.bbc.co.uk
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