Opinion: "The End of Meat Is Here" - NY Times

[Favelado]

Run out of road? What are you even talking about? Urban has gone proper cabin fever these last few days.

I'm saying you knew what he meant, and it's pointless pulling him up on the definition.

 

[8ball]

If you're unable or unwilling to engage with the topic of this thread, please GTFO.

Oh go fuck yourself you pointless cunt.

 

[Favelado]

Oh go fuck yourself you pointless cunt.

That made me laugh because it came out of nowhere. I'm not saying it's okay.

 

[editor]

Oh go fuck yourself you pointless cunt.

And off the thread you go.

 

[Favelado]

Wow. Things really got exponential.

 

[belboid]

You know, that's just how language works. That's why 'fuck' doesn't mean 'hit someone with a stick' anymore.

uhh, it never did, and would be an example of a completely different phenomenon if it did.

 

[Favelado]

uhh, it never did, and would be an example of a completely different phenomenon if it did.

It definitely meant to hit or beat.

Also. It would be the same/similar phenomenon as it would be taking on a related meaning. Don't you start as well!

 

[belboid]

It definitely meant to hit or beat.

there's nothing definite about it at all. It is probably from an old french word meaning to striking/rubbing/having sex, tho it could be from an old german word with a root meaning hit. But it could be from something else which has always and only ever meant 'fuck'

tldr - we dont really know where it comes from

 

[editor]

Can we get this thread back on topic puh-lease?

 

[Favelado]

there's nothing definite about it at all. It is probably from an old french word meaning to striking/rubbing/having sex, tho it could be from an old german word with a root meaning hit. But it could be from something else which has always and only ever meant 'fuck'

tldr - we dont really know where it comes from

Amazingly similar to the Wiki page. Just send me the link next time.

 

[Favelado]

I like beanburgers.

 

[belboid]

Amazingly similar to the Wiki page. Just send me the link next time.

well that's cos it is right! It is a well researched word

fuck | Origin and meaning of fuck by Online Etymology Dictionary is better than wiki tho

 

[Favelado]

Recommend me another satisfactory supermarket veggie product that I can prepare in ten minutes.

 

[belboid]

Veggie hotdogs are better than meaty ones

Linda Mc veggie pies are acceptable

 

[Poot]

Recommend me another satisfactory supermarket veggie product that I can prepare in ten minutes.

Anything chicken nugget-y is quite nice with ketchup. I mean, it's filth, but it's tasty.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Recommend me another satisfactory supermarket veggie product that I can prepare in ten minutes.

Iceland's vegan range is good: Vegan Food Online | Fresh & Frozen | Iceland Food | Iceland Foods

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I'll look forward to trying it out when it gets to the UK. I'm still really enjoying the Richmond vegan sausages. Cheap and incredibly tasty. I know one meat eating friend who's declared them to be miles better than the same brand's meat* sausages!

* say 'meat' but those things are usually full of all sorts of strange things.

I think it's already out.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Nice work by Ed...



...some good talking points to explore.

 

[butcher]

1% of the population are vegan, I can't see change coming that quickly.

(Source Are there 3.5 million vegans in the UK?)

ETA Richmond meat sausages are filth, the equivalent to the worst soya chunks from the 90s. Even I would eat one of the Veg ones than those slurry filled tubes

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I'll look forward to trying it out when it gets to the UK. I'm still really enjoying the Richmond vegan sausages. Cheap and incredibly tasty. I know one meat eating friend who's declared them to be miles better than the same brand's meat* sausages!

* say 'meat' but those things are usually full of all sorts of strange things.

Lidl have had vegan burgers and mince for a while now. Haven't seen it in every store though. Pea protein I think. Looking at the ingredients, price and the look, it's the same thing in different packaging.
It was good, but I only bought it reduced. I don't want to pay three quid for two burgers.

 

[SpookyFrank]

1% of the population are vegan, I can't see change coming that quickly.

(Source Are there 3.5 million vegans in the UK?)

ETA Richmond meat sausages are filth, the equivalent to the worst soya chunks from the 90s. Even I would eat one of the Veg ones than those slurry filled tubes

I saw veggie Richmonds in tescos yesterday. Still a no mind you, I remember well how rank the meat ones were.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Veggie hotdogs are better than meaty ones

Linda Mc veggie pies are acceptable

Linda chicken and leek pies are as good as frozen pies get if you can find them. Which I know, damning with faint praise but still.

 

[editor]

I saw veggie Richmonds in tescos yesterday. Still a no mind you, I remember well how rank the meat ones were.

They taste infinitely better than how I remember their filthy meat sausages tasting.

 

[butcher]

They taste infinitely better than how I remember their filthy meat sausages tasting.

If Richmond sausages were the only meat in the world to eat I would be joining you in the Nutroast queue Ed.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Its beginning to look like an escalating contest between big ag and activists:

State Sen. Ken Rozenboom, who sponsored Iowa’s second ag-gag bill in 2019, is a factory farm owner himself. This past January, activists with Direct Action Everywhere released disturbing photos from one of his facilities, which showed pigs with rectal prolapses and wounds, and the corpses of dead animals left among the living. “I’m ashamed of it,” Rozenboom told the Des Moines Register. The senator claimed that another farmer had been leasing the facility when the footage was captured. He acknowledged “caretaker deficiencies” and said that he had since leased the farm to someone else because of his concerns.

The activists’ investigation apparently only deepened Rozenboom’s commitment to passing ag-gag legislation. He sponsored the latest iteration, which was first introduced in February. Mason noted that the newest version of the bill is significantly scaled back and leaves out references to video footage or attempts to gain employment, sticking instead to trespass penalties. He said that if Gov. Kim Reynolds signs the bill into law, Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement will bring another challenge in court.

“I could easily find my farm, my name, the number of animals in the building, and that sort of thing. This is chilling, folks.”

During a discussion of the bill on Friday, Rozenboom said that it is meant to “address the gravest threats to animal agriculture in Iowa today.” He went on to describe a new endeavor by animal rights activists called Project Counterglow. The centerpiece of the project, as The Intercept has reported, is a map with the locations of more than 27,000 farms and animal agriculture facilities.

“Just a couple hours ago I accessed the interactive map. I could easily find my farm, my name, the number of animals in the building, and that sort of thing. This is chilling, folks,” Rozenboom said, noting that many farmers live next to their facilities. “What I’ve learned from experience — personal, firsthand experience — is that the M.O. here is simply lies, deception, and intimidation. That’s what they do.”
“The penalties that exist mean nothing to some of these people,” he added. “They laugh at them.”

Kecia Doolittle, who led the team that created Project Counterglow, said that the activists weren’t interested in hurting farmers. The idea is to expose an abusive, secretive industry that forces millions of animals to live in torturous conditions, she said. As for lies and deception, she added, the images speak for themselves.

Iowa Quietly Passes Its Third Ag-Gag Bill After Constitutional Challenges

The bill would create a new crime called “food operation trespass,” in yet another attempt to penalize activists for uncovering conditions at factory farms.

theintercept.com

So far, these efforts have been declared unconstitutional. With Trump packing the court with incompetent people I wonder if that will continue.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

1% of the population are vegan, I can't see change coming that quickly.

(Source Are there 3.5 million vegans in the UK?)

Well I suppose if the numbers are accurate, 1% doesn't sound particularly scary does it?

...and yet the animal agriculture industry has been getting a bit jumpy and nervous in the last few years. I wonder what could be causing that if they've got such a big numerical advantage, and so much government lobbying power, helpful subsidies, massive marketing muscle, and heavy influence in "scientific" food R&D.
UK livestock farmers fret as veganism challenge grows
What are they so afraid of? A measly 1%? Surely not.
Some more recent data...

How many vegetarians and vegans are in the UK?

Our annual survey looks at how many people are vegetarian, vegan and pescatarian in the UK and how many people plan to adopt these diets in 2022.

www.finder.com

...which has the figure of 2.1% vegans, and nearly 13% non livestock/poultry eaters. (including fish @ 4%)

Regardless of what the real numbers are, I think most people can see that there has been a growing trend away from animal products. Supermarkets are selling vegan food items now that were only available in specialist shops 22 years ago when I started, so there's certainly some kind of momentum shift, and long may it continue.

All of notable justice movements had very humble beginnings against seemingly impossible odds, be it against slavery, sexism, homophobia, apartheid, eastern block "communism", workers rights etc. ...and I believe vegan movement is heading in that direction Great oaks from little acorns grow. Some movements may take longer and have a harder time than others, but the truth finds a way to prevail...eventually.
So while it may seem a very long way off before we get anywhere close to "the end of meat", I wouldn't get too complacent, veganism may yet find it's Buster Douglas moment.

ETA Richmond meat sausages are filth, the equivalent to the worst soya chunks from the 90s. Even I would eat one of the Veg ones than those slurry filled tubes

I haven't tasted them yet, so can't really comment on their taste. In my opinion, mock meats, as with all "fast food junk" should really be used as occasional foods or to help omnis transition to real, proper, whole foods. This is where education comes in, and a lot of folks, even supposedly very bright people, including doctors, are nutritionally ignorant and don't really know how to feed themselves properly, including vegans. People bang on about a "balanced diet" but don't really know what one looks like.

 

[editor]

This is the findings of a new report, by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) in the US.

The biggest dairy companies in the world have the same combined greenhouse gas emissions as the UK, the sixth biggest economy in the world, according to a new report.

The analysis shows the impact of the 13 firms on the climate crisis is growing, with an 11% increase in emissions in the two years after the 2015 Paris climate change agreement, largely due to consolidation in the sector. Scientific reports have shown that consumption of dairy, as well as meat, must be reduced significantly in rich nations to tackle the climate emergency.

The report, by the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (IATP) in the US, also says the growth of giant dairy companies has helped force milk prices below the cost of production for the last decade, causing a crisis in rural livelihoods and requiring taxpayer subsidies to keep farmers afloat. The researchers say caps on production should be reintroduced to protect both the climate and small farmers.

More than 90% of the corporate dairy industries’ emissions are produced by the cows themselves, mostly in the form of methane. Research shows all plant-based milks, such as soya and oat, result in far fewer emissions than dairy milk.

Emissions from 13 dairy firms match those of entire UK, says report

Exclusive: Milk giants’ climate impact rising and production caps needed, say researchers

www.theguardian.com

Report here. Milking the Planet

 

[editor]

Mmmmm. Hormone pumped beef!

Petition by Which?

Help us protect our food standards | Which? Campaigns

New trade deals being negotiated with countries around the world could see the UK lower its food standards.

campaigns.which.co.uk

 

[WouldBe]

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Mmmmm. Hormone pumped beef!

Petition by Which?

Help us protect our food standards | Which? Campaigns

New trade deals being negotiated with countries around the world could see the UK lower its food standards.

campaigns.which.co.uk

Just don't buy it then.

 

[editor]

Just don't buy it then.

Ah, the simple life as seen by WouldBe. Why do you think they're trying to get this shit shunted into the UK in the first place? Any ideas? Or do you - bless - think that consumers should just 'vote with their wallets' and spend most of their weekly food budget on a single, artisan reared, cruelty-free, locally produced slab of prime meat?