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Gmart said:
Squat the cathedral if they have decided to cosy up with the authorities to try and stop this peaceful demonstration, why not?
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It does look like the Church are doing this at behest of Police not for any real H&S reasons.

Also the Camp is becoming a tourist attraction. I saw tourists wandering around taking photos. Also saw Camp Tourist Guide showing someone around. :D

Total bollox that its damaging St Pauls revenues. There is no need for Church to close to visitors.

The camp is clean and well organised.
 
BTW I took some food up on Sat.

They now have lots and lots of Teabags.

They were asking for bottled water as supply of water seems to be a problem.

They liked the high quality soya desserts I brought.:D Looks like they have lots of basic food but not so much treats.
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
who seems a bit up themselves? and from having a poke about today, i'd say any temp worker in a cafe or restaurant in any local facility is probably coining it due to the number of tourists tbf.
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I know people who work in coffee bars. They do not "coin it". They get paid the same amount whether the cafe is busy or not. And that is the min wage or just above it. I thought that would be obvious.

A lot of coffee bars use EFL students who have visas. They can only work part time due to visa.

Unlike Bankers they dont get a bonus.

However its always a problem with protest. Many people dont have much so if they feel there low paid job is in danger will complain. Not everyone has the time or resources to "Occupy London". These protests can be seen to be done by those with the time and resources to spend. This can cause resentment even if its directed at the wrong people.
 
copliker said:
"no party political or union literature or flags" allowed at the demo next saturday.
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Yet Bragg showed up and honked out some old school union propaganda after relaying some useless bollocks from La Pennyionara. Bold as brass.



I see they did that creepy culty call response thing on the march.
 
Gramsci said:
I know people who work in coffee bars. They do not "coin it". They get paid the same amount whether the cafe is busy or not. And that is the min wage or just above it. I thought that would be obvious.

A lot of coffee bars use EFL students who have visas. They can only work part time due to visa.

Unlike Bankers they dont get a bonus.

However its always a problem with protest. Many people dont have much so if they feel there low paid job is in danger will complain. Not everyone has the time or resources to "Occupy London". These protests can be seen to be done by those with the time and resources to spend. This can cause resentment even if its directed at the wrong people.
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Good post. How do you overcome this?
 
'Yet Bragg showed up and honked out some old school union propaganda after relaying some useless bollocks from La Pennyionara. Bold as brass.'

She really is shameless...
 
Took this video on Saturday outside the BoE.

John Christensen, an economist from the Tax Justice Network.

 
frogwoman said:
Good post. How do you overcome this?
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To be honest I don't know. Its both a political and a practical problem. Many people just dont have time due to struggling to get by.

In theory the Labour Party , for example, was set up to represent people. People paid ( and still do) into party so it had funds to subsidize ( right word?) activism. It was supposed to represent the interest of those who just got by not the rich. However the Labour Party now tends to support financial and business elites. Hoping for some trickle down of wealth.

So one way to overcome this is to have political group/ party which can raise funds for activism and which is democratically run.

The only thing that has irritated me about the OL is some attitudes that if ur not active then ur part of the problem. I find this insensitive to the reality of many peoples lives.

Interestingly people have been donating money to OL. There is a discussion on the OL website about what to do with this and how to use it. They are thinking of either getting a Coop bank account or Credit Union one. This might lead to more permanent organisation. Though they dont explore this in there discussions.

Ive looked at there website and they are making big attempts to run the OL democratically internal to the Occupation. How much this is practically possible on a wider basis is questionable.
 
Been at both camps today...both running well...FSq doing very well for only being day two...low police profile, no idea what they are planning. Toilet issues need sorting at FSq though as the protesters are relying on the local cafes/pubs etc mostly.

Occupy Newcastle got raided by the EDL was the hot/angry news of the day.

Apart from that, some great discussions, a few interesting lectures, oh and I sat in the yurt. I want one! :D

Oh and btw, there are many great minds here on Urban, why not head down to either of the camps and do a lecture/workshop of some sort...they are calling out for people to get involved in this way too.
 
I posted about that on the EDL watch thread, not much info around except some bits on twitter.. have a look at the last page on that thread.
 
Cheers.

Not much detail though - was it mentioned what the EDL wanted, what their beef was etc?
 
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