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NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

littlebabyjesus said:
Such as some kind of tax, maybe you could call it 'earnings tax' or something similar, which is taken from your wages as a percentage, where that percentage goes up for higher earners?

I wonder whether such a system could be possible?
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'Earnings tax'? A meaningless slogan.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Such as some kind of tax, maybe you could call it 'earnings tax' or something similar, which is taken from your wages as a percentage, where that percentage goes up for higher earners?

I wonder whether such a system could be possible?
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Unfortunately those with lots of money are amazingly good at circumventing such a system and even better corporate tax is generally less than those on paye.

The answer to this is of course to crack the whip on people on benefits and those trying to earn a few quid more a wee working a few hours cash in hand.
 
Blagsta said:
Alternatively you could google the terms and do some reading if you're actually interested db.
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I am aware of what they are, thank you. (Though I wouldn't put money on it, as most references are in the inpenetratable bollocks language that characterises this whole debate and which pretty much guarantees that hardly anyone will engage with it ...).

I just don't see how simply listing them somehow provides an entire replacement for the democracy we have (for all it's failings) and how it secures a voice for all citizens (as opposed to simply representing a transfer of controlling power to "the workers" who can then gain revenge over those who they perceive as having abused them previously, as has traditionally been the case with revolutions ...)
 
revol68 said:
Conflating the property destruction of the student protesters with rapists, nice.

And you wonder why people hate cops.

On another thread you are defending a cop "hilariously" putting song titles into his statement regarding his shooting of a tragic fucked up man.

You are a disgusting excuse for a person, a lackey for power.
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to be fair he calls himself detective boy
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littlebabyjesus said:
I'm not defending Labour. My guess is that they would have pushed for an increase in fees to £5k or so, which is what was widely predicted.

But the libdems apparently supported the abolition of tuition fees. They campaigned specifically on a pledge never to vote for an increase in fees.

Where is the democratic legitimacy in this govt, Moon23? Where is its mandate?
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The democratic legitimacy of the govt stems from the number of elected MPs it contains. It's true that on this issue if you take away those MPs who signed an election pledge not to support this policy it would not have a majority. Then again in terms of the MPs in parliment most are in a party that supports fees so you could argue on this issue there is a majority of elected MPs in parliment that support fees.

If there were more Lib Dem MPs and they had a majority government on their own then you would not be having these fee increases.
 
moon23 said:
The democratic legitimacy of the govt stems from the number of elected MPs it contains. It's true that on this issue if you take away those MPs who signed an election pledge not to support this policy it would not have a majority. Then again in terms of the MPs in parliment most are in a party that supports fees so you could argue on this issue there is a majority of elected MPs in parliment that support fees.

If there were more Lib Dem MPs and they had a majority government on their own then you would not be having these fee increases.
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what, given how spinelessly you caved in over this? ROFL!
 
moon23 said:
If there were more Lib Dem MPs and they had a majority government on their own then you would not be having these fee increases.
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Of course we wouldn't. Which is why they're currently fighting the Tories tooth and nail over it rather than being spineless turds and collaborating with their policies...
 
If the libdem mps all vote against these increases, the policy will not go through. Given that they all pledged themselves never to vote for any fee increase, and a significant number of people voted for them in large part on the strength of this pledge, they are duty-bound to vote against, are they not? If they vote in favour, are they not betraying all those whose votes they secured on the back of the pledge? Should they not all just resign en masse?
 
You sought to compare someone lying to get off smashing during a worthy political protest to some lying to get off q rape charge, ergo you are a despicable cunt.

And if people don't like me on here it isn't cos I'm a lackey for the cops and the racket they uphold, a cunt I might be but I' not a cowardly one.
 
detective-boy said:
The rest of the advice is common sense advice to any suspect if you wish to assist them escape justice (no doubt rapists will also welcome the caring advice of Fitwatch that they can use should the need arise ...). But the suggestion to say "It's not me", apparently in the context of giving evidence to the Court as it mentions a judge maybe not recognising you even if you do recognise yourself, would amount to perjury and I'm not sure that I would characterise perjuring yourself as "good" advice (nor would I expect most criminal lawyers to do so).


Saying nothing (which is very different from lying) is sound advice in relation to the time of arrest, in interview and even, subject to legal advice, in Court.
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Rapists have nothing to gain from FITwatch advice, they do however have have excellent allies in the Met police: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23896782-officers-broke-the-rules-by-dismissing-rape-claims-says-met.do
Met officers repeatedly breached official rules by writing off rape allegations as “no crime” incidents, a confidential Scotland Yard report reveals today.

The disturbing report, obtained by the Evening Standard, was produced after Met chiefs became alarmed at the “unhealthy” number of investigations closed down by officers from one of the force's Sapphire sex crimes units.
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You're right i withdraw my previous comment. I would now say make sure you can get away with it before denying it's you.
 
Db you are such a pathetic lackey that I have no doubt you were probably hated by rank n file cops. As reactionary as they may be even they grasp basic solidarity and will cover for each other.

You're pretty much a nothing person, a anal retentive bureaucrat with a book of statutes where a heart should be.
 
revol68 said:
Unfortunately those with lots of money are amazingly good at circumventing such a system and even better corporate tax is generally less than those on paye.
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more accurately, they employ amazingly smart, well-paid a-list accountants who know every trick in the game
 
revlon said:
Rapists have nothing to gain from FITwatch advice, they do however have have excellent allies in the Met police:
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If you actually bothered to read what that was all about you'd realise that it was absolutely nothing to do with assisting rapists to get off in any way whatsoever ...

But hey, why allow the facts to get in the way of an opportunity to have a pop ... :rolleyes:
 
littlebabyjesus said:
If the libdem mps all vote against these increases, the policy will not go through. Given that they all pledged themselves never to vote for any fee increase, and a significant number of people voted for them in large part on the strength of this pledge, they are duty-bound to vote against, are they not? If they vote in favour, are they not betraying all those whose votes they secured on the back of the pledge? Should they not all just resign en masse?
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Yup
 
The trouble with you Db is you either haven't or simply can't grasp the distinction between morality and law, this makes you a poor excuse for a human.
 
DB earlier...
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revol68 said:
The trouble with you Db is you either haven't or simply can't grasp the distinction between morality and law, this makes you a poor excuse for a human.
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The trouble with you revol68 is you either haven't or simplt can't grasp the importance of law as providing a universal framework against which all citizens are judged, as opposed to morality which is a subjective concept and a movable feast, and this makes you an idiot when it comes to discussing the operation of a fari and just society ....
 
revol68 said:
Oh yeah made a side criticism of those trying to help anyone charged over the student protests by pointing out this advice could be used by a rapist too, ergo you are a cunt.
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There, you see! You can understand what I actually did if you try hard enough.

Hopefully next time it won't take you three attempts to get there ... :rolleyes:

(I have no problem with you concluding that I am a cunt based on an accurate account of what I have posted - you are entitled to your opinion. I have a major problem with you doing so on the basis of lies about what I have posted.)
 
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OK, here's how it's going to play from now on. Anyone calling anyone else a cunt gets banned for the weekend because this topic is far too important to be trashed by childish name calling and endless personal attacks.

To repeat: anyone calling anyone else a cunt in this thread gets banned for the weekend. Starting from now.
 
detective-boy said:
The trouble with you revol68 is you either haven't or simplt can't grasp the importance of law as providing a universal framework against which all citizens are judged, as opposed to morality which is a subjective concept and a movable feast, and this makes you an idiot when it comes to discussing the operation of a fari and just society ....
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A universal structure masking the particular interests of the ruling elites and capitalism.

The law truly is blind afterall it is illegal for both the rich and the poor to steal a loaf of bread. Talk of a universal framework is nonsense in a class society.

The dogs in the street know, even most pigs know it, everyone knows it except silly little muppet like you.
 
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OK, here's how it's going to play from now on. Anyone calling anyone else a cunt gets banned for the weekend because this topic is far too important to be trashed by childish name calling and endless personal attacks.

To repeat: anyone calling anyone else a cunt in this thread gets banned for the weekend. Starting from now.
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Hows about trying to keep the thread 'on topic' also?
 
revol68 said:
A universal structure masking the particular interests of the ruling elites and capitalism.

The law truly is blind afterall it is illegal for both the rich and the poor to steal a loaf of bread. Talk of a universal framework is nonsense in a class society.
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Nonsense. You may have a point if there was a fixed sentence for every offence. Or if there was no scope for the precise circumstances of each offence to be taken into account in deciding an appropriate sentence. Or of taking account of the personal circumstances of the individual defendant in determining sentence.

But none of that is the case ...
 
detective-boy said:
I am aware of what they are, thank you. (Though I wouldn't put money on it, as most references are in the inpenetratable bollocks language that characterises this whole debate and which pretty much guarantees that hardly anyone will engage with it ...).

I just don't see how simply listing them somehow provides an entire replacement for the democracy we have (for all it's failings) and how it secures a voice for all citizens (as opposed to simply representing a transfer of controlling power to "the workers" who can then gain revenge over those who they perceive as having abused them previously, as has traditionally been the case with revolutions ...)
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If you are knowledgable about these political traditions, then why call them "meaningless slogans"? I smell bullshit.
 
detective-boy said:
Nonsense. You may have a point if there was a fixed sentence for every offence. Or if there was no scope for the precise circumstances of each offence to be taken into account in deciding an appropriate sentence. Or of taking account of the personal circumstances of the individual defendant in determining sentence.

But none of that is the case ...
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It's still illegal and more importantly its meant as some of a metaphor to highlight the massive structural inequality in society that makes a mockery of any claims to universalism.

Politicians get expenses, proles do the double, what one faces the wrath of your universal framework?
 
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Excellent, would be such a shame if such a monumental thread went off the rails as this one appears to be going.
 
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