Easy for you to say, as one of the ringleaders
I'll get off with it though, with being Whitehall's favourite rent boy.
NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]
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I'll get off with it though, with being Whitehall's favourite rent boy.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
MODEST CUTS??? What fucking planet are you on you tory cretin?
You cannot have a society in which right and wrong can properly be defined without a sound understanding of what is legal. The role of the law (and especially it's independence) in our society is absolutely central. I suggest you go and study some constitutional law ...
trouble is most coppers have a very limited and rudimentary knowledge of the law.
What they do have (and what you continue to show here) is the misunderstanding that their actions are lawful because they are police officers.
I have already lost 30% of my current turnover due to a contract with a local authority being prematurely terminated.
I have also noticed significant reductions in business (from the private sector over the last 2 years, now from the public sector). Security and training, areas in which I now work, are always prone to be the first to go ...
So please don't imply that I am somehow insulated from the effects of what is happening.
(And before you wade in about my gold-plated pension, because I left the police with just over 20 years service I am (a) only entitled to half a pension (the first 20 years provide 50%, the last 10 years the other 50%) and (b) not entitled to receive it until I am 60 (which is ten years away, nine years more than would have been my 30 year anniversary of joing when, if I'd stayed and just marked time, would have enabled me to retire on a full pension payable immediately - it has been estimated that my leaving early cost me £300k if I live till I'm seventy).)
The Black Hand
Unclean
Recently there has been an article in the paper wishing students should grow up, 'we have to get respectable with good jobs' etc nonsense - the journalist described his limp and non committed journey on the liberal left during his youth. SO!! I banged off a letter to the letters page and I will let you all know if it is published;
Anarchic Protest
Barry Nelson (“Turning Left”, Echo 12.11.10) only offers paean & apologia for capitalism – he has compromised politics. His life’s work is adapting to capitalism.
This is not substantial argument, it is merely self fulfilling prophecy.
Parliamentary democracy, ie. Elective dictatorship, maybe the system we have, and we only got that relatively recently through long hard struggle – they never GAVE it to us. But it does not mean that there is not a better way.
Nelson promotes capitalism, its wars, oppressions, inequalities and divisions, however we should be against this anti intellectual conservative nonsense, and for imaginative & creative agency that the students displayed, for they are part of our future.
The great & sadly deceased E.P. Thompson ("The Making of the English Working Class"), who Nelson should have read, said desire, possibility, urgency, imagination and experimentation would be key features of struggles to come.
These cuts, that impoverish & punish; students, workers and the poor are only to protect the rich. Lets hope the campaigns against the cuts to come are even larger & more lively.
Anarchic Protest
Barry Nelson (“Turning Left”, Echo 12.11.10) only offers paean & apologia for capitalism – he has compromised politics. His life’s work is adapting to capitalism.
This is not substantial argument, it is merely self fulfilling prophecy.
Parliamentary democracy, ie. Elective dictatorship, maybe the system we have, and we only got that relatively recently through long hard struggle – they never GAVE it to us. But it does not mean that there is not a better way.
Nelson promotes capitalism, its wars, oppressions, inequalities and divisions, however we should be against this anti intellectual conservative nonsense, and for imaginative & creative agency that the students displayed, for they are part of our future.
The great & sadly deceased E.P. Thompson ("The Making of the English Working Class"), who Nelson should have read, said desire, possibility, urgency, imagination and experimentation would be key features of struggles to come.
These cuts, that impoverish & punish; students, workers and the poor are only to protect the rich. Lets hope the campaigns against the cuts to come are even larger & more lively.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
It is NOT modest in terms of the effect it will have on the lives of those least able to deal with the impact ffs!
Then do so by TAXING THE RICH. The banks and the big corporates are 100% responsible for this problem; let THEM pay to solve it. NOT the poorest 1/3 of society
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
I have already lost 30% of my current turnover due to a contract with a local authority being prematurely terminated.
I have also noticed significant reductions in business (from the private sector over the last 2 years, now from the public sector). Security and training, areas in which I now work, are always prone to be the first to go ...
So please don't imply that I am somehow insulated from the effects of what is happening.
(And before you wade in about my gold-plated pension, because I left the police with just over 20 years service I am (a) only entitled to half a pension (the first 20 years provide 50%, the last 10 years the other 50%) and (b) not entitled to receive it until I am 60 (which is ten years away, nine years more than would have been my 30 year anniversary of joing when, if I'd stayed and just marked time, would have enabled me to retire on a full pension payable immediately - it has been estimated that my leaving early cost me £300k if I live till I'm seventy).)
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yes, wouldn't it be great if we lived in a democracy?
fractionMan
Custom Title
"Modest cuts". Are you fucking serious? Does this sort of shit come easily to you? Does it rub off if you're surrounded by massive liars all the time or something?
You're still under the illusion that people voted for this shit, that our crappy form of democracy 'works'. They didn't and it doesn't. In fact a lot of people voted against this shit only to be utterly betrayed by the likes of you and your lying scum libdem mates.
Yeah, we should all sit round drinking tea and mildly disagreeing with them while they fuck us over. That'll show them who's boss. They work for us the cunts and it's something they need to be reminded of.
I'm not even going to start on your 9% graduate tax (but only for those who on lower wages) post. Considering that reasonable is beyond mental.
I would quite agree that in many respects their knowledge of the law is dire ... but in the basic, everyday things it is not too bad as a rule.
And what you do have (and what you continue to show with posts like this) is the misunderstanding that some of their actions are lawful because they are police officers. If they, as police officers, have reasonable grounds to suspect possession of prohibited articles they have a lawful power to search. Anyone else wouldn't. If they, as police officers, have reasonable grounds to suspect an offence has been committed (even if it actually hasn't) they have a lawful power to arrest anyone they have reasonable grounds to suspect has committed it even if they actually haven't. Anyone else wouldn't.
fogbat
The Talibum
I'll get off with it though, with being Whitehall's favourite rent boy.
I'll never forgive you for toppling me from my throne.
fogbat
The Talibum
Shut it, butterfingers, or you might drop *another* fire-extinguisher.
I can explain. I thought it would be funny.
the button
out on the kocker
It would have been funny if it was a traffic cone. What sort of fucking student are you?
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
Me too, I'll take whichever one you don't give him^^^^
I won't work with Davina McCall though.
Seriously.
We do. It would be great if we lived in a better, fairer one.
fogbat
The Talibum
It would have been funny if it was a traffic cone. What sort of fucking student are you?
A naughty anarchist one.
fractionMan
Custom Title
I have already lost 30% of my current turnover due to a contract with a local authority being prematurely terminated.
I have also noticed significant reductions in business (from the private sector over the last 2 years, now from the public sector). Security and training, areas in which I now work, are always prone to be the first to go ...
So please don't imply that I am somehow insulated from the effects of what is happening.
(And before you wade in about my gold-plated pension, because I left the police with just over 20 years service I am (a) only entitled to half a pension (the first 20 years provide 50%, the last 10 years the other 50%) and (b) not entitled to receive it until I am 60 (which is ten years away, nine years more than would have been my 30 year anniversary of joing when, if I'd stayed and just marked time, would have enabled me to retire on a full pension payable immediately - it has been estimated that my leaving early cost me £300k if I live till I'm seventy).)
Boo fucking hoo.
I've never seen a pension run on that basis. Even if it was on that basis, working 20 years for 50% of a full pension is gold plated. Nobody else gets that much for so little. I'd have to work 40 years for the same and my pension is considered a good one.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
We currently have a government with no mandate. Democracy, my arse.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
I have already lost 30% of my current turnover due to a contract with a local authority being prematurely terminated.
I have also noticed significant reductions in business (from the private sector over the last 2 years, now from the public sector). Security and training, areas in which I now work, are always prone to be the first to go ...
So please don't imply that I am somehow insulated from the effects of what is happening.
(And before you wade in about my gold-plated pension, because I left the police with just over 20 years service I am (a) only entitled to half a pension (the first 20 years provide 50%, the last 10 years the other 50%) and (b) not entitled to receive it until I am 60 (which is ten years away, nine years more than would have been my 30 year anniversary of joing when, if I'd stayed and just marked time, would have enabled me to retire on a full pension payable immediately - it has been estimated that my leaving early cost me £300k if I live till I'm seventy).)
I was asking a simple question, paranoid fucknut.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Sorry, but we do not. we get one x on a piece of paper, between three increasingly homogenised bunch of centre-right figureheads, with fuck all accountability, transparency and popular involvement beyond that. All power has been so centralised that there is no point involving yourself wqith locla government, and ferocious whipping has fundamentally destroyed the concept of the independent-minded MP. That, plus the impenetrability of thehuge bureaucratic monoliths that central govt depts are (and the fact that far more power resides in the boardrooms than in parliament) has turned our system into a grotesque sham of a democracy. "of the people, by the people, for the people" my arse.
you do know it was the ancient greeks wot invented democracy? They'd be horrified at what we've let it mutate into.
I was pretty busy mid-week so this whole palaver more or less passed me by but I've had the opportunity to watch some of the footage, look at some of the photos and read some reports this morning.
The whole thing seems quite bizarre. It comes across as a hyperreal simulation of a riot.
The whole thing seems quite bizarre. It comes across as a hyperreal simulation of a riot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hahaI have already lost 30% of my current turnover due to a contract with a local authority being prematurely terminated.
I have also noticed significant reductions in business (from the private sector over the last 2 years, now from the public sector). Security and training, areas in which I now work, are always prone to be the first to go ...
So please don't imply that I am somehow insulated from the effects of what is happening.
(And before you wade in about my gold-plated pension, because I left the police with just over 20 years service I am (a) only entitled to half a pension (the first 20 years provide 50%, the last 10 years the other 50%) and (b) not entitled to receive it until I am 60 (which is ten years away, nine years more than would have been my 30 year anniversary of joing when, if I'd stayed and just marked time, would have enabled me to retire on a full pension payable immediately - it has been estimated that my leaving early cost me £300k if I live till I'm seventy).)
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Ooooh! Someone's been reading Baudrillard!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
local paper? they'll publish pretty much anything.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
or at least looking at it
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
*corrected for you*
It only seems that way.
apologies for facebook stuff but all helps
Stop the hunt on the Millbank protestors
We need unity - defend the Millbank protestors
Stop the hunt on the Millbank protestors
We need unity - defend the Millbank protestors
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
It's like a simulacra of someone reading Baudrillard.
I know - letting women and those who haven't passed their military training become citizens - they must be spinning in their graves.
If it's direct democracy you're after, where do you suggest that the assembly should be (bear in mind that it has to be large enough to house the whole citizen population)?
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