NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[madzone]

Anyone with half a brain can see that smashing up the political headquarters of a democratic party within a western democracy is not a very sensible course of action. There is nothing self-interested about the vast majority of protestors who had their say in a reasonable manner. We are not talking about people fighting against a tyranny or denied democratic participation. We are discussing modest cuts resulting from a global crisis and a major sovereign debt problem and whether those who benefit from education should pay for it or whether the public as a collective whole should pay for it.

Modest cuts??

 

[Brainaddict]

National Day of Mourning Declared for Windows of Millbank Tower

 

[frogwoman]

Anyone with half a brain can see that smashing up the political headquarters of a democratic party within a western democracy is not a very sensible course of action. There is nothing self-interested about the vast majority of protestors who had their say in a reasonable manner. We are not talking about people fighting against a tyranny or denied democratic participation. We are discussing modest cuts resulting from a global crisis and a major sovereign debt problem and whether those who benefit from education should pay for it or whether the public as a collective whole should pay for it.

Anyone with half a brain can tell that it's going to be BOTH that are going end up paying for it.

 

[Orang Utan]

this thread's gone boring

 

[Cobbles]

it never changes anything you cretin.

I get the impression your happy to see families evicted onto the streets, the unemployed being unable to feed themselves or their kids and the marketisation of university education, not to mention thousands of Iraqi's and Afghans slaughtered before you'd ever get off your smug sanctimonious arse and actually do something.

What - as in using your vote ( as oposed to kicking off into a bit of pointless random thuggery and vandalism )?

 

[belboid]

Modest cuts??

its moonie. being unable to count is as normal as being a lying little shit for him and his cohorts.

 

[Crispy]

this thread's gone boring

Call someone a cunt. It feels good.

 

[Santino]

*occupies thread*

 

[Divisive Cotton]

It's only a matter of time before it moves on into that - belloid's edging up to it

 

[belboid]

dont misspell my name you farking cunt!

 

[Citizen66]

Call someone a cunt. It feels good.

What happened to "play the ball not the man"?

 

[Crispy]

What happened to "play the ball not the man"?

Oh that's boring. Far more fun to lock on to familiar enemies and let the bile flow.

 

[Citizen66]

*cracks knuckles*

 

[Streathamite]

Secondly, no, there were NOT anarchist and socialist "students" in decisive roles in the march.

You are tragically convinced that "anarchists and socialists" were behind this mercifully corpse-free demo, and this demonstrates to me the level of your Scientologific belief in an old-ass system of protest that simply is not relevant any more.

To do such a thing does NOT mean they will be waving your fucking laughable outdated anarcho flags, as if they even mean anything these days anyway.

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sorry, but you are 100% wrong. Revolution, AFED (I am inflormed) and other groupings certainly played a key role in the protest, and in entering millbank. The press releases; the flags; the fact that people kniown for their presence in radical left groupings were co-ordinatiung insiode...that's more than enough proof. This may not have been a military raid exercised with Prussian precision, but that's not the point.

 

[Streathamite]

Marketed in the way it has been marketed it will remain a minority interest, no matter how important it's message. Keep doing the same things the same ways and you will keep getting the same results.

I've got a horrible feeling you happen to be right here.

 

[moon23]

ofcourse there isn't an alternative structure, the whole point is that only through struggle and resistance can we actually come together in order to produce not just the space and conditions for such an alternative but the social relations that can sustain it.

I assume you don't mean the roof of Millbank tower is where we should find the space and start forming social relations? Can we at least get some chai to drink and perhaps a tee pee?

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh that's boring. Far more fun to lock on to familiar enemies and let the bile flow.

what if you don't have any? the only thing i want to call a cunt at the mo is my cat cos i have just stepped barefoot in something that came out of her.

 

[Crispy]

what if you don't have any? the only thing i want to call a cunt at the mo is my cat cos i have just stepped barefoot in something that came out of her.

You'll need to step in shit every day for ten years to really work up the right amount of rage

 

[moon23]

its moonie. being unable to count is as normal as being a lying little shit for him and his cohorts.

A return to 2006 spending levels as a percentage of GDP is relatively modest overall; the overall expenditure will still be increasing as the economy & population increases. The reason the cuts will be felt hard in *certain* areas is because the largest chunk of spending on the NHS & Education are being ring-fenced.

For example Leeds council announced 3,000 job loses. That sounds very shocking 1 in 6 workers as the media reports. In reality this is over four years so the figure is 750 staff a year. Leeds city council’s annual turnover of staff is not much less then that so most job losses will be a result of jobs not being replaced.

I don't ideologicaly want to see a reduction in public expenditure, apart from perhaps in some areas of IT, UKBA, MOD, the Civil Service and Quango, but I do think the current defecit level is not sustainable and don't have faith we can simply spend our way out of it by incurring even higher levels of debt. At some point the debt becomes a problem you have to deal with.

 

[Blagsta]

lies

 

[laptop]

Financial Times diary column today:

It is outrageous that extremists have exploited a groundswell of public concern to wreak mindless damage. But never mind Tory attacks on the welfare state. Did you see the havoc that student protesters caused?

 

[Citizen66]

"jobs not being replaced" still means more people on the dole and a heavier workload for those lucky enough to cling on to their jobs you dopey cunt.

There. I called someone a cunt.

 

[moon23]

One question about the protest why did people have F**K Fee banners? This self-censorship seems bizzare.

 

[lopsidedbunny]

21000 views, can I just say hello to the coppers, editors, jorno, MPs who are happening to view our forum?

 

[chilango]

A return to 2006 spending levels as a percentage of GDP is relatively modest overall; the overall expenditure will still be increasing as the economy & population increases. The reason the cuts will be felt hard in *certain* areas is because the largest chunk of spending on the NHS & Education are being ring-fenced.

For example Leeds council announced 3,000 job loses. That sounds very shocking 1 in 6 workers as the media reports. In reality this is over four years so the figure is 750 staff a year. Leeds city council’s annual turnover of staff is not much less then that so most job losses will be a result of jobs not being replaced.

I don't ideologicaly want to see a reduction in public expenditure, apart from perhaps in some areas of IT, UKBA, MOD, the Civil Service and Quango, but I do think the current defecit level is not sustainable and don't have faith we can simply spend our way out of it by incurring even higher levels of debt. At some point the debt becomes a problem you have to deal with.

Cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan 12 billion (says Brown) and rising.

Amount saved by cuts 6 billion (says Osborne)

So clearly, its not spending on education, welfare etc that is causing the problem...

 

[Citizen66]

Shouldn't we be in some way incriminating ourselves so it isn't a complete waste of time for them?

 

[Santino]

If there are journalists reading, I am looking for a job as a cricket correspondent or tv/film critic. PM me.

 

[fogbat]

Shouldn't we be in some way incriminating ourselves so it isn't a complete waste of time for them?

Easy for you to say, as one of the ringleaders

 

[the button]

Easy for you to say, as one of the ringleaders

Shut it, butterfingers, or you might drop *another* fire-extinguisher.

 

[detective-boy]

There is a readily available structure that is better.

Strange how you never actually lay out what it is, eh?