NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]

[frogwoman]

It might for instance make it harder for a Labour MP to attend a future anti-fees protest if they think they could be associated with violence.

Why the concern over those poor labour MPs? you lot have been going on for the last 6 months about how everything is labours fault

 

[krtek a houby]

I would have to agree. They don't look good, they itch and are hard to explain away in court. Better a hood, and shades.

What is the anarchist look this season?

 

[e19896]

 

[TopCat]

What is the anarchist look this season?

Well I stand almost alone on this but I prefer decent black leather shoes, tailored trousers, a nice jumper and a woolen overcoat. The shoes must be highly polished.

 

[Streathamite]

Student debt isn't like other debt, I repay student loans, but only when I’m in work. The new proposals mean you won't repay them until you are on over 21k which is an improvement on the current system that affects me.

The main thing that is unfair about it is that people previous haven't had to pay back any money for their education.

The main thing is that it will deter loads of working class kids from going to uni. the less affluent your background, the less likely you are to stomach that sort of debt. a huge step back in time.

 

[Fedayn]

Funny, thankfully we can joke about it as it didn't kill someone.

Unlike the public sector cuts which you defend and support which will kill.

 

[Streathamite]

It might for instance make it harder for a Labour MP to attend a future anti-fees protest if they think they could be associated with violence.

oh noes! how will we cope without all those useless, gutless Nu Labour sheep?

 

[stethoscope]

Student debt isn't like other debt, I repay student loans, but only when I’m in work. The new proposals mean you won't repay them until you are on over 21k which is an improvement on the current system that affects me.

Me me fucking me.

If they expect other people to pay for their education they need to argue the net benefit to society is worth paying for it out of general education. For a long time they have allowed the debate to be framed in terms of individual benefit from education in terms of salary. Whilst the debate stays framed in those arguments they will lose.

Who's 'they' - you seem to be the one 'framing the debate that further education is about individual benefit if anything.

One minute you're saying young people are faced with loads of debt:

The main thing that is unfair about it is that people previous haven't had to pay back any money for their education.

Young people are facing high property prices, having to repay student loans and a life without the types of pensions that baby boomers have enjoyed.

... then the next you seem to be saying that students need to be making the case that their further education is of benefit to society coming from general taxation.

Frankly, you're all over the place... fucking liberal.

 

[moon23]

I would recommend a font colour that stands out easily, this is very hard to read.

 

[ymu]

There has been direct action and violence against tution fees in the past. The real problem is that a lot more people are attending University these days. The international league tables are dominated by US universities that are able to charge a lot more in fees to raise funds. There is an argument that the social good that having an educated population brings benefits everyone, this is the case that needs to be made to ensure the greater funding from general taxation for Universities.

This is an outrageous lie. Given the population sizes, those league tables are much more dominated by British universities than US ones. We have 30 of the top 200 universities in the world (we're only 1% of the world population, which would give us just 2 in the top 200 if all else were equal), and 6 that regularly appear in the top ten of various different rankings (Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, King's, Imperial, LSE).

Per capita, our university system outperforms the US by quite a long way. With 5 times the UK population, they'd need 150 of the top 200 to be at the same level.

 

[Flanflinger]

Anarchists protesting they want more help from the Goverment???????????

I reckon the guy at the fronts employment potential is about zero now.

 

[moon23]

So what?

Well if I was running an anti-fee campaign getting the government's opposition on board would be an obvious strategy. A bit tricky as Labour commissioned the Browne review but I should imagine if it's framed as a means of splitting the Coalition and attacking the Lib Dems then it could be sold to the party.

 

[Crispy]

Dim the background by 50%, some of the words are unreadable - white on white

 

[frogwoman]

Who cares what labour says? You don't even like labour, why do you keep going on about them, do you think they need your advice seeing as you're now argueing everything is their fault? if someone like tony benn or john mcdonnell turned up to these protests it might increase their popularity!

 

[stethoscope]

Anarchists protesting they want more help from the Goverment???????????.

 

[moon23]

Anarchists protesting they want more help from the Goverment???????????

I reckon the guy at the fronts employment potential is about zero now.

They are statist anarchists obviously.

 

[teuchter]

Graphic design fail

 

[chilango]

Well if I was running an anti-fee campaign getting the government's opposition on board would be an obvious strategy.

Good job you're not then. Isn't it?

 

[dennisr]

This is an outrageous lie. Given the population sizes, those league tables are much more dominated by British universities than US ones. We have 30 of the top 200 universities in the world (we're only 1% of the world population, which would give us just 2 in the top 200 if all else were equal), and 6 that regularly appear in the top ten of various different rankings (Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, King's, Imperial, LSE).

Per capita, our university system outperforms the US by quite a long way. With 5 times the UK population, they'd need 150 of the top 200 to be at the same level.

not the only one - I've noticed he's already tried to introduce the "blame the baby boomers" bull. The bollox is simply conveying to us the latest set of lies from the establishment - its all he ever does.

 

[krtek a houby]

oh noes! how will we cope without all those useless, gutless Nu Labour sheep?

I hate that term "sheep" or "sheeple". Shows a distinct lack of imagination.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Typcial, whip them up and then step back.

Which is the exact opposite of what the post you were resposnding to actually said; is this dishonesty some sort of lib dem affliction or is it all your own work?

Louis MacNeice

 

[dennisr]

"I've done porridge"

ohhhhhhh, ark at him

 

[frogwoman]

Student debt isn't like other debt, I repay student loans, but only when I’m in work. The new proposals mean you won't repay them until you are on over 21k which is an improvement on the current system that affects me.

The main thing that is unfair about it is that people previous haven't had to pay back any money for their education.

Young people are facing high property prices, having to repay student loans and a life without the types of pensions that baby boomers have enjoyed.

i ask again - whose fault is that exactly?

 

[frogwoman]

They are statist anarchists obviously.

christ do you ever think for yourself ! you lib dems are as bad as the sparts!!

 

[Pickman's model]

It might for instance make it harder for a Labour MP to attend a future anti-fees protest if they think they could be associated with violence.

who gives a fuck? never wanted the fuckers on a demonstration in the first place

 

[Pickman's model]

Funny, thankfully we can joke about it as it didn't kill someone.

could joke about it if it had

 

[Streathamite]

I hate that term "sheep" or "sheeple". Shows a distinct lack of imagination.

still sums up that useless bunch of timeserving clones, tho'.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Student debt isn't like other debt, I repay student loans, but only when I’m in work. The new proposals mean you won't repay them until you are on over 21k which is an improvement on the current system that affects me.

The main thing that is unfair about it is that people previous haven't had to pay back any money for their education.

Young people are facing high property prices, having to repay student loans and a life without the types of pensions that baby boomers have enjoyed.

No the main thing that is unfair is that education, as you have pointed out yourself, is a social good, which we should all contribute towards according to our means.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Pickman's model]

Well if I was running an anti-fee campaign getting the government's opposition on board would be an obvious strategy. A bit tricky as Labour commissioned the Browne review but I should imagine if it's framed as a means of splitting the Coalition and attacking the Lib Dems then it could be sold to the party.

if you were running an anti-fee campaign, it'd last about 10 minutes.

 

[krtek a houby]

who gives a fuck? never wanted the fuckers on a demonstration in the first place

In future, you could organise a screening process where only the right type of people go on demos.