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I expect that by the end of Trump's first term, abortion will be illegal or otherwise unavailable in about half the states.
If Roe vs. Wade were weakened or overturned, abortion rights would be protected in less than half of the U.S. states and none of the U.S. territories. This digital tool answers the question: What would happen where you live if the Supreme Court weakened or overturned Roe v. Wade?
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Jeff Robinson said:
Pro-rape, pro-incest, pro-forced pregnancy, women-hating fundamentalist fascist thugs impose their religious extremist agenda on the women and doctors of Texas now too:

www.theguardian.com

Most extreme abortion law in US takes effect in Texas

US supreme court fails to act to block near-total ban that allows private citizens to sue abortion providers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Worth pointing out of course that this won’t stop abortions, just safe ones :mad:

Utter cunts.
 
I wonder whether the law's written so that people arseholes can sue doctors even if they perform the operation out of state.
 
beesonthewhatnow said:
Worth pointing out of course that this won’t stop abortions, just safe ones
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Yes. I have a US-based friend who is extremely anti-abortion. I had to mute about 30 sites she was sharing that posted anti-abortion stuff.

But she once clarified that, though she thinks abortion is a sin, and she wants it to never happen, she is not actually against laws that allow abortion. She knows that the only abortions anti-abortion laws are safe abortions.
 
Yossarian said:
These Texiban shitheads want to take America back 50 years to when women had to go to Mexico for abortions.
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It's not just going back in time, there's some brand new forms of evil at work here. The prospect of rewarding any random weirdo with a grudge against women to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars is not something that has ever existed before.
 
Is it not the case that this latest law is deliberately insane so as to force opponents to bring a challenge to the supreme court, allowing them to overturn Roe vs Wade altogether?
 
It's just vile - and a reminder, for those who moon about 'women and woke people run the world these days' that anyone who isn't white, male, able-bodied, cis and heterosexual can just have their rights ripped away. And no one is taking away rights of white, male, able-bodied, cis heterosexuals nor is likely to do so anywhere.
 
SpookyFrank said:
Is it not the case that this latest law is deliberately insane so as to force opponents to bring a challenge to the supreme court, allowing them to overturn Roe vs Wade altogether?
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Pretty much. It's worrying that the Supreme Court didn't keep it from going into effect. That should have happened just on the vagueness and giving standing to sue to nearly anyone.
 
I saw an interesting point made on Twitter by a woman saying that wilful ignorance of women's bodies doesn't help either. That these guys can pat themselves on the back that they're not being totally unreasonable because surely if a woman's 'time of month' doesn't pop up like clockwork every 4 weeks she'll know if she's pregnant just like that and she'll still have time to get an abortion. When periods don't work like that and there's so many reasons they can be irregular or more spread out.
 
Guardian has headline on front page calling it "radical" abortion law, presumably as in "forward thinking", "interesting experiment". :rolleyes:

Headline when you click through (i.e. that most people won't see) replaces it with "extreme". "Abusive" might be better.
 
two sheds said:
Guardian has headline on front page calling it "radical" abortion law, presumably as in "forward thinking", "interesting experiment". :rolleyes:

Headline when you click through (i.e. that most people won't see) replaces it with "extreme". "Abusive" might be better.
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That's quite a stretch. When they say 'radical Islam' do you think "forward thinking"?

This being the Guardian they're not exactly keen on left-wing radicals either are they.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
That's quite a stretch. When they say 'radical Islam' do you think "forward thinking"?
This being the Guardian they're not exactly keen on left-wing radicals either are they.
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Yes, but "radical law" makes me think of "radical plan" more than it makes me think of "radical Islam" or "radical leftist".

"Radical" in that sense suggests a fresh approach, and doesn't have negative connotations. Hardly suitable for describing this piece of shit.
 
As I understand the situation, it's been almost impossible to access a safe and legal abortion in Texas for many years now. Increasing pressures from the anti-choice lobby have closed many clinics or limited what they can offer and to whom. Not every pregnant person knows where to go, or can afford to travel within the state, etc.

This new law is a) to target anyone who advises or assists a pregnant person in Texas to access a safe abortion by going out of state (eg telling them how and where, driving them there, donating to costs, etc) and b) one more step on the way to stopping all safe and legal abortions in all the states of the US.
 
BillRiver said:
Radical comes from the same word root as radish.

It's supposed to mean of the root, as in a radical solution = getting to the root of the problem.

The Roots of 'Radical'
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This I am aware of. The tricky part comes when defining both the problem and solution (hell, one can argue over what constitutes the "root" too). Perspectives differ.
 
In that context I just read 'radical' as 'extreme' rather than novel or forward-looking. I'd be a tad suprised if the Guardian were doing positive PR for it TBH.
 
As said it's a neutral word - could be good or bad depending on context, so not clear what the law is about for most people who don't click through. Replacing it with "extreme" in the article itself is more accurate.
 
Here's a few of the other laws Texas has passed this year:

1. Voting restrictions
The controversial new voting known as Senate Bill (SB) 1 is now in effect in Texas. It eliminates drive-thru voting and 24-hour voting in the state as well as imposing new requirements for absentee ballots. Many Democrats in the state legislature staged a walkout and fled Texas for Washington, D.C. in an unsuccessful effort to prevent its passage.

2. Open carry
Texas will now allow residents aged 21-years-old and above to openly carry a gun in public without the need for training classes or a permit. Those with a criminal record will not be able to avail of the law, however.

3. Critical race theory
Discussions of critical race theory are now banned in Texas' classrooms. The state's teachers may not discuss the idea that some people are "inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously."

4. Homeless camps
It is now a misdemeanor in the state of Texas to camp in an unapproved public place and doing so may be subject to a fine of $500. The law takes aim at homeless camps throughout the state.

5. Felony charges for protesters
Texas has raised the offense of protesters blocking roads and freeways from a misdemeanor to a felony offense. This includes blocking hospital entrances and preventing the passage of emergency vehicles. The penalty is up to two years in prison.

6. National anthem required
The state's professional sports teams are now legally required to play the national anthem at games or risk losing millions in state and local tax subsidies if they don't. The teams will not be able to take into account the views of their players about the anthem.

7. A preemptive abortion ban
In the event that the landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling Roe v. Wade is overturned, abortion will be made completely illegal in Texas under a "trigger law." The ban would take effect 30 days after the court's ruling.

8. Buying sex is a felony
Texas has become the first state in the nation to make the act of buying sex from an adult a felony. A person found guilty could face up to two years in prison for the first offense. The law also expands felony charges against sex traffickers who recruit minors at treatment centers and youth centers.

9. Vaccine passports ban
Businesses are not permitted to require their patrons to prove their COVID-19 vaccination status as part of a ban on so-called "vaccine passports." Any business that violates the law could lose its license, operating permits or even state contracts.
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And, a few other here:


I don't see how some of these are constitutional, such as requiring the national anthem before sporting events. The thing is, anyone who tries to contest the law is going to be hit with death threats and other harassment. Its seems like Texas Republicans are weaponizing random threats of violence and other mob tactics to hurt anyone who might oppose them either politically or socially.
 
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SpookyFrank said:
It's not just going back in time, there's some brand new forms of evil at work here. The prospect of rewarding any random weirdo with a grudge against women to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars is not something that has ever existed before.
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Also, the accused can't get any legal costs back even if they're proven not to have done what they're accused of. So there are literally no consequences. Don't like your neighbour? Accuse them of facilitating an abortion (giving someone advice would be enough) and they have to spend time and money attempting to prove you wrong.
 
NoXion said:
"Radical" has always been a neutral term in my eyes, because it's meaningless by itself. It's a term that is always defined in relation to something else.
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But because it can have positive connotations I, personally, would not choose it to describe this law in a headline.
 
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