Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law

[Cloo]

I think lawmakers who ban abortion for rape victims should be asked repeatedly why they are pro-rapist.

I mean, they are literally handing rapists a weapon with which to further hurt women, which is what rape is about. It's not about loving sex, or a woman being so attractive a man 'can't help himself'. It's about power, specifically power over a woman and they are literally handing to rapists the power to force a woman to give birth. Rapists are going to love that - not only the pain and fear but if their victim gets pregnant they can guarantee her life will never be the one she planned.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I think lawmakers who ban abortion for rape victims should be asked repeatedly why they are pro-rapist.

I mean, they are literally handing rapists a weapon with which to further hurt women, which is what rape is about. It's not about loving sex, or a woman being so attractive a man 'can't help himself'. It's about power, specifically power over a woman and they are literally handing to rapists the power to force a woman to give birth. Rapists are going to love that - not only the pain and fear but if their victim gets pregnant they can guarantee her life will never be the one she planned.

They can terrorize her for years with demands for visitation and other legal filings as the father on record.

Basically, if you've been raped and got pregnant, you're better off not reporting it for this reason. And, that's one of the other things they want. They want to pretend that rape doesn't exist. One of the lies that pro-lifers tell is that a woman can't get pregnant from rape. That if there's a pregnancy then she took pleasure from it. Its sick.

 

[Cloo]

Sounds like they're more keen to help the 'father' when he's a rapist than to track down ones just trying to avoid responsibility. But we're not living in a patriarchy.... nosiree.

 

[Chilli.s]

I think lawmakers who ban abortion for rape victims should be asked repeatedly why they are pro-rapist.

Yeah its totally twisted, and to think that some of those people see themselves as good Christians, deluded fuckwits with no moral compass

 

[Cloo]

Apparently N Carolina are trying (and will presumably succeed) in passing a law that basically any health professional who is told by a patient with an issue that she has had an abortion at any time in the past must report that issue as a 'complication of abortion'. And that is every time it is mentioned, so the same issue could be reported multiple times, to bump up stats that make abortion look risky. Also it could be anything from anxiety to premature birth.

It made me realise that a lot of these forced birth laws contain aspects that discourage the mention of abortion, certainly for women of childbearing age - ensuring it can be used against you if, say, you have a miscarriage. And by enforcing silence you keep others from the knowledge that it is safe, effective and a vital part of healthcare.

 

[two sheds]

These 'Christian' fuckers are just sub-human

Alabama bill could make criminals of women who miscarry

The Alabama House is preparing to vote on a bill that would potentially turn every miscarriage or stillbirth into a homicide investigation. The bill could subject women to a detailed examination of every aspect of their lives for the “crime” of failing...

www.dailykos.com

The Alabama House is preparing to vote on a bill that would potentially turn every miscarriage or stillbirth into a homicide investigation. The bill could subject women to a detailed examination of every aspect of their lives for the “crime” of failing to deliver an infant to term, and would leave many facing both an intrusive presence and a threat of prison at the same time they are mourning a child they genuinely wanted.

Bill HB454 redefines the words “murder” and “person” under Alabama law to make the loss of any fetus during pregnancy the exact equivalent of murdering a child: "Enforcement shall be subject to the same legal principles as would apply if the victim were a person who had been born alive.” Every abortion, every miscarriage, every stillbirth would all be subject to the same level of scrutiny as a child found dead. Police and prosecutors would be given the discretion to issue warrants, conduct inquiries, and indict women for their failure to deliver a live infant.

Making this so-called “pro-life” bill even more twisted, Alabama is not just a death penalty state, it’s the state with the highest rate per capita of people sentenced to death. Put it together, and there’s a real possibility of a woman being sentenced to death for a miscarriage.

 

[Chilli.s]

with god on your side any old shit can be real

 

[Cloo]

Was hearing about this earlier, and we all know some women will be more likely to be investigated for this than others.

Also, cue women risking lives and health by not seeking medical help when miscarrying.

Also, way to control women's lives and bodies. Better not drink, women of childbearing age, ignorance that you were pregnant will not be a defense if you were seen in a bar before miscarrying (even though, AFAIK, alcohol has nothing to do with miscarriage risk, certainly not unless you drunk enough to make you seriously ill)

 

[Poot]

A lot of men may not know this but when you miscarry there's a very good chance you'll need a procedure called a D&C. About half of women do. This is to ensure that there's no material left in the womb that could cause an infection. It is - as you might imagine - an important procedure and not having it done carries serious risks.

It is painful and happens at a time when, as you can imagine, you're not quite yourself.

Making women fear it even more is reprehensible.

 

[Cloo]

And the cruelty is the point. Serve those uppity women right.

 

[tim]

South Carolina Republican divisions on abortion bans which almost counts as good news. Some fear that it might lose them votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/05/22/south-carolina-abortion-ban/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

A lot of men may not know this but when you miscarry there's a very good chance you'll need a procedure called a D&C. About half of women do. This is to ensure that there's no material left in the womb that could cause an infection. It is - as you might imagine - an important procedure and not having it done carries serious risks.

It is painful and happens at a time when, as you can imagine, you're not quite yourself.

Making women fear it even more is reprehensible.

This is one reason why they're trying to ban abortion drugs. In states where abortion remains legal, banning abortion drugs, leaves mostly D&Cs as the main abortion method.

 

[Cloo]

Tw: horribly sad birth defect story

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[Yuwipi Woman]

And the Republicans panic at the idea of people leaving religion in droves. If you exclude 50% of your audience, I have to wonder how much common sense you possess:

MSN

Why would you stay with a religion that deeply and spitefully considers you "less-than." Meanwhile they continue to sweep under the rug allegations similar to the Catholic Church about sexual abuse. Get your priorities in order, FFS.

 

[two sheds]

How surprising is this?

 

[Serge Forward]

Aren't they symptoms of psychopathy?

 

[NoXion]

I don't know if it's actually pathological, but there is certainly a distressing tendency for some people to make exceptions for themselves regarding behaviours and actions that they would otherwise regard as unacceptable. Like they were the main characters in a story. I've seen it described as "the only moral abortion is my abortion".

 

[Cloo]

I was just thinking how I don't see an imminent threat of abortion restriction in the UK due to not having the Christian extremist base, but unless we stop voting in wannabe fascists, within 10 years they'll be trying the 'But falling birth rates so we need to force women to have babies' angle as a way to justify it.

 

[Dogsauce]

I was just thinking how I don't see an imminent threat of abortion restriction in the UK due to not having the Christian extremist base, but unless we stop voting in wannabe fascists, within 10 years they'll be trying the 'But falling birth rates so we need to force women to have babies' angle as a way to justify it.

It’s hard for them to grumble about falling birth rates when they’re always banging on about teenage pregnancy and ‘ immigrants with large families’, the ‘wrong kind of people are having children’ thing. I suspect they’ll find some weasel words to balance these competing themes, unless they go full trumpian and be openly white nationalist about it.

 

[Cloo]

The National Conservatives or whatever the fuck they were calling themselves were barely avoiding leaving out the word 'white' when talking about 'not enough babies' rhetoric the other month.

Of course, it would never occur to them to do any of the thing that could help people start families, like provide affordable housing, childcare and parental benefits. But forcing stuff on women and people with uteruses, sure.

 

[Cloo]

Indiana has upheld a ruling that mothers carrying a foetus with conditions that make life unviable will have to basically have to sign their name to something saying they don't want their baby to have any care and they don't want to remember them, if they want to access an abortion



Among the many things I hate about all this shit are these presumptions about what a woman 'should' feel about an pregnancy that doesn't come off. I've always felt that if I'd had an early miscarriage or totally unviable pregnancy I'd not have given the unborn child a name or memorialised much as I'd just have seen it as an impossibility they would have got to be a person, although of course others are totally entitled to feel otherwise. But no one should be manipulating women to feel a certain way.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The National Conservatives ...

I'm going to borrow that.

... or whatever the fuck they were calling themselves were barely avoiding leaving out the word 'white' when talking about 'not enough babies' rhetoric the other month.

Of course, it would never occur to them to do any of the thing that could help people start families, like provide affordable housing, childcare and parental benefits. But forcing stuff on women and people with uteruses, sure.

Indeed. There's a lot of carrots they could offer to raise birthrates, but they always go for the stick first.

 

[teqniq]

Bit of good news for a change:

Arizona governor approves over-the-counter contraceptive medications at pharmacies

 

[two sheds]

Fucking hell that it needs a special approval

 

[Cloo]

Jessica Valenti,, who I quote a lot above, has been saying for months that the forced birthers are gunning for the word 'ban' when used after 'abortion' (they prefer 'national standard/consensus') and sure enough, they've started with 'it's not bans, there are exceptions' , of couse not adding that these exceptions are utterly fake as they've also added in rules around them that make unusable (if you can even find a qualified professional in a ban state, which you often can't). Basically they either ask for medical confirmations that can't be given, and/or are worded in a way that does not prevent the medical practitioner from being prosecuted, or rapes require a police case and suuuure cops will be so supportive and not at all call women needing them sluts who are just claiming rape so they can get an abortion and turn them away.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Iowa just passed a six-week ban. They went to the trouble of having a special legislative session to make it happen. I've lived in Iowa. It's a purple state and I can't imagine that if the ban was put before the voters that they would vote for this:

July 12 (Reuters) - Iowa's Republican-controlled legislature passed a bill in a special session on Tuesday banning abortions as soon as fetal cardiac activity can be detected, after around six weeks of pregnancy and before most women know they are pregnant.

The ban is expected to swiftly be signed into law by Republican Governor Kim Reynolds, who called the special session after the Midwestern state's Supreme Court on June 16 blocked a similar measure passed in 2018 from going into effect.

Iowa legislature passes six-week abortion ban in special session

Iowa's Republican-controlled legislature passed a bill in a special session on Tuesday banning abortions as soon as fetal cardiac activity can be detected, after around six weeks of pregnancy and before most women know they are pregnant.

www.reuters.com

Abortion providers are moving up appointments that were scheduled for next week and referring others out of state.

 

[Cloo]

And if course pro choice state services are getting overwhelmed by all this with impacts on the wellbeing of all women - or people with a uterus.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

And if course pro choice state services are getting overwhelmed by all this with impacts on the wellbeing of all women - or people with a uterus.

It even effects women in bans states who want to proceed with a pregnancy because many of the OBGYNs are moving out of state, rather than provide less than full care. Most of these are already rural states that have trouble keeping doctors. In some places in the US, women have to drive hours just to see a doctor of any kind, let alone a specialist. It's going to raise maternal death rates across the US. I've lived in rural areas and the doctor situation is already awful.

 

[Cloo]

Indeed... from the people who say they are 'pro life'.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Fucking hell that it needs a special approval

Although oral contraception is very safe, it is not completely safe. Making oral contraception available without a prescription is fine, but it should be sold by someone who can outline the risks, and more importantly how to recognise a problem, and what action needs to be taken.