Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law

[Yuwipi Woman]

This is a genuine question, with absolutely no agenda.

Are condoms not available? Not as good as oral contraception, I know, but surely better than nothing?

I wonder if its legal to sell condoms to minors in Texas. I know there's ways around the law, but they shouldn't have to break the law to be safe.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I wonder if its legal to sell condoms to minors in Texas. I know there's ways around the law, but they shouldn't have to break the law to be safe.

Condom Laws - Selling condoms to minors and more...

Selling Condoms to Minors? There is one law that is rumored to exist, but actually doesn’t. Many people believe that it’s illegal to sell condoms to minors...

www.ripnroll.com

 

[Cloo]

I'm betting that not a single person who put these laws through has any clue how common miscarriage is in the first 12 weeks (25-30% of pregnancies, IIRC) . They probably think they're rare and can only occur because the mother has done something 'wrong', in which case its hardly better in their books than an abortion.

People who know nothing about women's bodies shouldn't be allowed to be making laws about them.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Condom Laws - Selling condoms to minors and more...

Selling Condoms to Minors? There is one law that is rumored to exist, but actually doesn’t. Many people believe that it’s illegal to sell condoms to minors...

www.ripnroll.com

I did find this:

Texas Wears Condoms

www.texaswearscondoms.com

I wonder if we're going to have to do things like this everywhere.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I did find this:

Texas Wears Condoms

www.texaswearscondoms.com

I wonder if we're going to have to do things like this everywhere.

You shouldn't have to, but you need to do what you need to do.

 

[two sheds]

It also means the man has to take responsibility, rather than the woman being fairly sure she's safe.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It also means the man has to take responsibility, rather than the woman being fairly sure she's safe.

If you look at the ruling on birth control, it prioritizes the right of the male parent over the minor female. It basically said that she's her father's property until she turns 18.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It also means the man has to take responsibility, rather than the woman being fairly sure she's safe.

When we were certain that we wanted no more children I had a vasectomy, how can you say you love someone, then put them at risk by making them use hormonal contraception?

 

[Sasaferrato]

If you look at the ruling on birth control, it prioritizes the right of the male parent over the minor female. It basically said that she's her father's property until she turns 18.

How Victorian.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

How Victorian.

How literally biblical.

 

[Poot]

In Texas, three women who told their friend where to get drugs to stop a pregnancy and how to take them are being sued for 'wrongful death' by the woman's ex husband. He is seeking $1 million in damages.

Three Texas women sued for wrongful death after aiding in abortion

 

[a_chap]

Fucking hell

21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions

The bill, from Rep. Rob Harris, has 21 co-sponsors in the state’s House of Representatives

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Fucking hell

21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions

The bill, from Rep. Rob Harris, has 21 co-sponsors in the state’s House of Representatives

www.rollingstone.com

I'm with Jane Fonda. If they threaten your life, don't you have to right to fight back? Aren't they always calling back to "second amendment solutions"? When something similar is proposed by the other side they go there. Now they're all "OH, MY FRILLY BLOOMERS, THE HORROR!"

(Now wondering how many lists this post got me on. LOL).

 

[1927]

How Victorian.

I’ve always found it strange that people still refer to Victorian in context of America! Don’t they have their own phrases like Lincolnian to describe certain eras? Genuine question!

 

[two sheds]

Wild west?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I’ve always found it strange that people still refer to Victorian in context of America! Don’t they have their own phrases like Lincolnian to describe certain eras? Genuine question!

Nope. We tend to classify things according to decade, ie "the 1960s", etc.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I’ve always found it strange that people still refer to Victorian in context of America! Don’t they have their own phrases like Lincolnian to describe certain eras? Genuine question!

Don't know, if I was American... well, they must have a similar phrase surely?

 

[Dogsauce]

Fucking hell

21 South Carolina GOP Lawmakers Propose Death Penalty for Women Who Have Abortions

The bill, from Rep. Rob Harris, has 21 co-sponsors in the state’s House of Representatives

www.rollingstone.com

“Pro life” !!? I see a bit of inconsistency here.

 

[NoXion]

“Pro life” !!? I see a bit of inconsistency here.

"Forced birth" is more accurate.

 

[Dystopiary]

A bill was due to be unveiled today to prevent doctors in California who mail abortion pills to other states from being prosecuted.

The bill would not let California extradite doctors who are facing charges in another state for providing abortion medication. It would also shield doctors from having to pay fines. And it would let California doctors sue anyone who tries to stop them from providing abortions.

The bill would only protect doctors who are in California. If a doctor left California to provide an abortion to someone in another state, that doctor would not be protected. It also would not protect patients in other states who receive the medication.

State senator Nancy Skinner's bill Skinner’s bill would also protect doctors for mailing contraceptives and transgender-related medications.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...95a372-c484-11ed-82a7-6a87555c1878_story.html

 

[a_chap]

Why US mothers are more likely to die in childbirth

Maternal mortality spiked by 40 percent in 2021, with black women more likely to die.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Cloo]

And more and more Ob-gyns leaving forced-birth states due to fear of being criminalised

Idaho hospital will stop delivering babies as doctors flee state due to abortion ban

Near-total ban on abortions is driving doctors away, hospital says, leading to lack of nearby labor and delivery care for thousands

www.theguardian.com

Presumably they are at risk of prosecution now from any negative outcomes of a pregnancy/birth.

 

[Cloo]

This is a pretty outstanding self own:



Also highlights how, oddly enough, false birthers are the same people who oppose 'socialised medicine' (aka free healthcare) because they believe it will mean the authority can control their healthcare choices. Aka bodily autonomy.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Also highlights how, oddly enough, false birthers are the same people who oppose 'socialised medicine' (aka free healthcare) because they believe it will mean the authority can control their healthcare choices. Aka bodily autonomy.

As if health insurance companies don't control your healthcare options. There's a lot of doctors in the US quitting practice. The most cited reason is because they can't do their job without having to spend hours every day arguing with bureaucrats. There's also a lot of hospitals closing their obstetric sections, or closing entirely, especially in rural areas because they can't practice medicine without interference. Yet, they're on the hook financially for errors or the bad care that results. In many ways, the US healthcare system is in serious trouble and is in danger of collapsing.

The Coming Collapse of the U.S. Health Care System

The nursing strike in New York is emblematic of the huge stresses the U.S. health care faces coming out of the pandemic

time.com

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As if health insurance companies don't control your healthcare options. There's a lot of doctors in the US quitting practice. The most cited reason is because they can't do their job without having to spend hours every day arguing with bureaucrats. There's also a lot of hospitals closing their obstetric sections, or closing entirely, especially in rural areas because they can't practice medicine without interference. Yet, they're on the hook financially for errors or the bad care that results. In many ways, the US healthcare system is in serious trouble and is in danger of collapsing.

It's odd, isn't it? This just seems obvious, no? I remember back in Obama-time, certain r/w Americans were dubbing the UK's NICE as a government death panel. But of course all health systems ration care. NICE just doesn't do it according to the patent's ability to pay.

There is no country in the world where anyone is seriously lobbying to end universal health coverage. Once the US has it, it should become permanent, but fuck me it's absurdly hard to get there. Maybe it does need to collapse first.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

It's odd, isn't it? This just seems obvious, no? I remember back in Obama-time, certain r/w Americans were dubbing the UK's NICE as a government death panel. But of course all health systems ration care. NICE just doesn't do it according to the patent's ability to pay.

There is no country in the world where anyone is seriously lobbying to end universal health coverage. Once the US has it, it should become permanent, but fuck me it's absurdly hard to get there. Maybe it does need to collapse first.

It's especially dire in rural areas of the US. Most of their patients are elderly and on Medicare. Medicare's reimbursement is lower than most health insurance, or rural hospitals often lose money from year to year. Nationwide 43% of hospitals lost money last year. In Nebraska its 55%. If the system were better managed, they could afford to keep rural hospitals open:

LINCOLN — Nebraska hospital leaders said Monday that a combination of increased costs of labor and supplies, and a failure of Medicaid and Medicare to fully reimburse services, is stressing the state’s health care system.

More than half of the state’s hospitals operated in the red last year, they said, and 2023 is expected to be just as challenging financially.

Hospitals are cutting back, and in some cases eliminating, service, officials said. And at least five rural Nebraska hospitals are at risk of closing, according to a January report from the advocacy group, the Center for Healthcare Quality and Payment Reform.


‘Very concerning’ trend
“This trend is very concerning. The current economic model for hospitals is simply not sustainable,” said Summer Owen, CEO of Great Plains Health in North Platte.

Bryce Brackle, vice president of finance for Nebraska Medicine in Omaha, said his hospital sustained an $18.6-million loss in 2022 and is projecting another year of red ink in 2023.

The two officials, along with Jeremy Nordquist, president of the Nebraska Hospital Association, said reimbursement for Medicaid and Medicare patients has failed to keep up with the costs of patient care that have risen 21.3% from 2020 to today.

They cited these factors during a press conference in contributing to a financial “crisis” in their industry:

Labor challenges, including an exodus of employees during the high stress of the COVID-19 pandemic. Workforce costs have risen 26.8% since 2020.
Inflation. Medical supply costs are up 25.4%, and drug costs have risen 42.5%.

Reimbursement rates for patients on Medicaid and Medicare, which haven’t kept up, with the average loss for Medicaid care of 60%.
55% of hospitals lost money.

The average operating margin for hospitals, the officials said, has dropped from 6.6% in 2021 to 1.8% last year, with 55% of the state’s hospitals reporting net losses.

“We anticipate that these challenges are not going away,” Nordquist said. “We continue to see tough decision made by hospital leaders to make ends meet.”

Nebraska hospitals struggling financially, with most operating in the red last year, officials say • Nebraska Examiner

More than half of Nebraska's hospitals operated in the red last year, officials said Monday, and 2023 is expected to be just as challenging.

nebraskaexaminer.com

It's just not sustainable and no one is happy. Medical professionals are frustrated by not being able to do their jobs. Patient care suffers. How the most expensive medical system in the world could be nearing nationwide bankruptcy is mystifying. The only people in the system who are happy are insurance executives who own $200 million dollar mansions.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It's odd, isn't it? This just seems obvious, no? I remember back in Obama-time, certain r/w Americans were dubbing the UK's NICE as a government death panel. But of course all health systems ration care. NICE just doesn't do it according to the patent's ability to pay.

There is no country in the world where anyone is seriously lobbying to end universal health coverage. Once the US has it, it should become permanent, but fuck me it's absurdly hard to get there. Maybe it does need to collapse first.

There is a need to 'ration' health care on the basis of cost/benefit. This is probably practiced most in oncology.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

There is a need to 'ration' health care on the basis of cost/benefit. This is probably practiced most in oncology.

In the US this is done mostly by if you have money to pay the bill. Your treatment options end the moment you become bankrupt.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There is a need to 'ration' health care on the basis of cost/benefit. This is probably practiced most in oncology.

Of course. And there is also a need to decide which treatments are effective enough to justify their use and which are not. That's where NICE can be unpopular - where expensive treatments with a poor record of success are refused and patients die. Those are the cases that US r/wingers point at. For extra heart-wringing points, it's best when the patient is a sick child. But what they don't point at are all the very expensive but effective treatments that NICE does pay for.

 

[Cloo]

Yes, I gather anti 'socialised medicine' types like to misrepresent NICE decision making (usually combined with assumption that UK legal system is the same as US as well).

At the end of the day if you ask me whether I'd prefer a system where, on extremely rare occasions, a panel of qualified people might make decisions disadvantageous to me and mine on account of cost effectivness, and one where 1000s? 10s of 1000s? 100s of 1000s? die every year because they cannot afford or are too scared about the costs of treatment, or because their insurance policy doesn't cover it? Yeah, I know which I'd take.