8ball
Maximum Facepalm
So "collecting" in the case of miscarriage would be for medical expenses?
Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law
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So "collecting" in the case of miscarriage would be for medical expenses?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Following the logic of that post, it would be for funeral expenses.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Ah, ok. I am unfamiliar with their ways.
Yossarian
⏭️
It's a race issue because Black people have long been massively underrepresented in government and Black people are disproportionately affected by this disgusting Handmaid's Tale shit - some of the states with the highest proportion of Black residents are Republican-led with some of the lowest spending on public health and education.
Black girls and women are also less likely than many of their white counterparts to be able to afford to travel to another state or another country for an abortion, and forcing them to give birth to babies they don't want isn't exactly going to help them break the cycle of poverty.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
I suppose a positive that can be taken from that graph is that the gap between "Legal under any"/"Legal under certain" is at it's narrowest since the record began, that the "Legal under certain" score has declined by 8pts over time, that the "legal under any" has increased by 13pts over time and that the "Illegal in all" score has maintained a low (and declining) score compared to the others.there's a useful 2016 article on the history of the anti-abortion movement in america at Abolishing Abortion: The History of the Pro-Life Movement in America | The American Historian
one thing i've seen (aware anecdote not great evidence) is that a lot of the people who turn out on demonstrations against abortion are women themselves: so it's not simply 'a bunch of white guys wanting to punish women'. making out it's only men (namoc) who want to impose this is simply bollocks as you can see from this chart, where about 20% of american women want to see abortion illegal under all circumstances, and a larger proportion want to see sadly unspecified conditions on the availability of abortion:
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Abortion Trends by Gender
This page outlines Gallup's long-term trends on Americans' views about abortion by gender.news.gallup.com
Sadly, not likely to stop Roe v Wade getting tanked though
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Not according to a huge number of people.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Is there any particular reason why you capitalise 'Black' when describing skin colour, but not 'white'?
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Huge numbers of people are wrong about a great many things.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
It seems to me that arguments from science free of religious contexts are broadly in agreement regarding termination of pregnancy.
And, while I don’t doubt that religion is as important as fact to those who believe in it, surely intelligent religious folk understand that, given the diversity of religious faiths and belief systems in the world, and given the principle of mutual religious tolerance, that no one religion has the right to override laws grounded purely in science and logic.
Essentially: wtf is religion doing in politics, in this day and age? What right does it have to shape the laws that people of different beliefs are forced to live by?
And, while I don’t doubt that religion is as important as fact to those who believe in it, surely intelligent religious folk understand that, given the diversity of religious faiths and belief systems in the world, and given the principle of mutual religious tolerance, that no one religion has the right to override laws grounded purely in science and logic.
Essentially: wtf is religion doing in politics, in this day and age? What right does it have to shape the laws that people of different beliefs are forced to live by?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Yes. As I have stated before, yes, I am against aborting the population of Aberdeen each year in the UK.
That should not come as a surprise, I've stated my view before.
Do I think that legal abortion should be available to anyone who wants it? Yes, I do. Banning would not stop it, merely drive it back to the backstreet coat hanger days.
When I started as a student nurse in 1970, whilst working in Casualty, a woman was brought in who had had a botched abortion. She had lost a lot of blood and had a raging infection. She died.
In the great scheme of things it doesn't matter a fuck what I think, my view is completely unimportant. It is those who are pregnant whose views count.
Edited to add:
Had she lived, the police were waiting to charge her with 'procuring an abortion' IIRC. It was over fifty years ago, but some things you just don't forget.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
This is just adding insult to injury:
www.newsweek.com
If women are going get anywhere against these Republicans, we're going to have to adopt the same mean spirted attitudes they have toward us. Too many times, abortion advocates have tried to take the high road. We're dealing with the political equivalent of junkyard dogs here. The best way to deal with them is to hit them with a (metaphorical) 2x4.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Quoted Twice in Supreme Court Roe v. Wade Ruling
In 1992, Ginsburg argued that Roe v. Wade "halted a political process that was moving in a reform direction."
www.newsweek.com
If women are going get anywhere against these Republicans, we're going to have to adopt the same mean spirted attitudes they have toward us. Too many times, abortion advocates have tried to take the high road. We're dealing with the political equivalent of junkyard dogs here. The best way to deal with them is to hit them with a (metaphorical) 2x4.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Hey, what's making you so sensitive about this if you are not in favour of forcing women to endure childbirth and bear children they do not want? No one is saying 'all rich white men' anything.
I was stuck on the previous page. It was a message posted earlier saying most of the worlds problems are down to Rich Whiteman. I mean. A bit inaccurate. But doesn’t get us very far anyway. Just frustrated with the level of debate I guess. aren’t we mostly on the same side. A bit more analysis wouldn’t go amiss. I get it people get frustrated and make comments. Like Mine above.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Fair enough. Women do get impatient, though, when men can't see their problem. I can't speak for others but most people in charge in the UK and the west generally are, in fact, still white men. That doesn't mean white men, or men generally, are to blame for it, just that it's harder for them to see the problems other people have to deal with because the system is generally and historically designed to favour the dominant class, so they take things for granted the way fish take water for granted.
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
I had assumed it was about life insurance to provide for the survivors
Yes sorry for spikiness.. just at a bit of a loss as what to do as part of the Partial demographic . I know that sounds a bit not all men. I mean obviously telling anyone this giving it the full pro-life antifeminist shtick within ear shot I’m not going to tolerate quietly. But that isn’t how it happens in real life. Self-selecting as we are I suppose in social circles unknowingly, unconsciously. And I’m not religious. So I rarely if ever, encounter these dinosaur type views in real life. I think brainaddict has made some good points. But these people aren’t someone I meet to challenge. Or just talk to.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
It's not about you, though. For this particular law, rich makes a difference because rich people won't be as impacted - they can travel, they can afford to raise a child more easily, and in the US they are more likely to have health insurance that covers contraceptives.
Men makes a difference for reasons I don't need need to explain.
White makes a difference in a more complicated way, mainly because in the US black people are more likely to live in areas with less abortion provision and free access to contraception, and also because of the crossover between low income and race. I wouldn't, personally, say it's all that relevant here TBH, but "rich white men" living in a bubble where they don't understand the circumstances of the people they're making laws for is a compound phrase that exists for good reason.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Same here. These are rarely views I meet IRL (similarly self-selecting) and when I do I tread very cautiously. I'm far more brusque online with randoms, and hardly alone in that. But not spiky enough.
scifisam makes excellent points above.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Yes. It's a barbed comment about how those who purport to value the unborn life don't really,
because they'd never expect anyone to collect on death insurance.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Our prime minister attempted to get a consensus from parliament saying that Canada would always support the woman's right to a safe abortion. When he became the party leader, the liberal candidates had to sign a document saying that they would not bring up a bill that would limit a woman's option, and that the party member would always support this right in any vote.
The consensus can only be made if there are no "no" votes. Several conservatives said no, so there was no consensus.
It makes me sad that we are still fighting this.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Worth repeating.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
This was an interesting read:
joycearthur.com
“The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”
When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p…
joycearthur.com
Quite long but quite a few examples, and worth reading to the end for the experiences of women who were against abortion until they'd needed one, the last saying it transformed her life for the better.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
This whole shit started in the 70s when the evangelicals needed a distraction from still supporting segregation long after it was no longer cool 
if we are talking about dead babies we arent talking about how you are racist cunts with racially segregated churches
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