Mighty Hoopla, Cross The Tracks, Wide Awake & City Splash festivals, Brockwell Park - discussion

[editor]

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In photos: Project 6 festival in Brockwell Park, Friday 26th May 2023

Project 6 – a brand new event showcasing a programme of electronic music – kicked off the festival season in Brockwell Park yesterday. Brixton Buzz had a thoroughly excellent time &#821…

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[Cat Fan]

Interestingly I can hear the festival from over 1 mile away, through double glazing. Must be pretty loud for the people living next to the park.

I think people have complained on here before?

 

[nagapie]

It's pretty loud at my house. People at Cressingham have told me it's it's challenging.
I think 4 days is too many and that each day should end by 9.
It's not like people moved to near a venue and then started complaining.

 

[edcraw]

Interestingly I can hear the festival from over 1 mile away, through double glazing. Must be pretty loud for the people living next to the park.

I think people have complained on here before?

We’re much less than a mile away and it’s pretty faint and barely audible when inside - also finished by 10:30pm. None of our neighbours seem to mind much.

My view is that London should be able to host these things and they’re a hell of a lot cheaper & value for money for people to attend than most concerts in the large arenas or The Hyde Park concerts.

 

[edcraw]

It's pretty loud at my house. People at Cressingham have told me it's it's challenging.
I think 4 days is too many and that each day should end by 9.
It's not like people moved to near a venue and then started complaining.

Question is where do you have such events then? Shouldn’t a city be able to do these sort of thing?

 

[nagapie]

Question is where do you have such events then? Shouldn’t a city be able to do these sort of thing?

We've always had festivals in cities. But 4 days in a row in a park in a residential area?
Maybe it's Lambeth's new way to get rid of the residents of Cressingham.

 

[edcraw]

We've always had festivals in cities. But 4 days in a row in a park in a residential area?
Maybe it's Lambeth's new way to get rid of the residents of Cressingham.

Yeah - obv a cynical plan to get people to move…

 

[nagapie]

Yeah - obv a cynical plan to get people to move…

I was joking, just lack of care.

You of course think 4 days of a booming festival on your doorstep is fine. As usual you just support Lambeth.

 

[edcraw]

I was joking, just lack of care.

You of course think 4 days of a booming festival on your doorstep is fine. As usual you just support Lambeth.

No - just not the lazy default that everything the council does is bad.

 

[nagapie]

No - just not the lazy default that everything the council does is bad.

The council is shit. Fact. And the four day festival on people's doorstep is shit.

 

[edcraw]

The council is shit. Fact. And the four day festival on people's doorstep is shit.

Well that rather proves my point doesn’t it!

Where should these sort of things be held? Or should they just not happen?

 

[nagapie]

Well that rather proves my point doesn’t it!

Where should these sort of things be held? Or should they just not happen?

There are less residential places for them to happen.
But as I said, a two day festival an ok ask but four days. So you think four days of thumping music on your doorstep is ok? These are not people who moved next to a venue then started complaining.

 

[Cerv]

was a fun day, except my hay fever went totally fucking crazy left the Osees early cos I just felt to shit after not breathing for 8 hours.

late running on a lot of sets though. I think at one point Bad Vibrations stage were dealing with a power cut. before Molchat Doma

on the way home got a notification from the festival map/lineup app with a pre-sale link for next year. but can't find that now. does anyone have that handy?

edit: to answer my own question kaboodle

 

[ska invita]

There are less residential places for them to happen.
But as I said, a two day festival an ok ask but four days. So you think four days of thumping music on your doorstep is ok? These are not people who moved next to a venue then started complaining.

All festivals are disruptive, most festivals last 4 days, the fact many are in the countryside doesn't mean they don't impact loads of people

 

[nagapie]

All festivals are disruptive, most festivals last 4 days, the fact many are in the countryside doesn't mean they don't impact loads of people

I don't think it's a fair ask to put a four day festival on someone's doorstep. Anywhere. The park is not a big space, there's no distance between the music and the estate.

 

[edcraw]

I don't think it's a fair ask to put a four day festival on someone's doorstep. Anywhere. The park is not a big space, there's no distance between the music and the estate.

No Glastonbury?

 

[ska invita]

I don't think it's a fair ask to put a four day festival on someone's doorstep. Anywhere.

Do you think, for example, Glastonbury should be cancelled? Lasts more than four days, goes on way later than this park thing which finishes very early, and is endlessly more disruptive

Glastonbury just one example, there are scores like it

 

[nagapie]

No Glastonbury?

I've never been to Glastonbury but I assume that as it's on a farm, people don't live right on it.
As to whether it's been allowed to grow to such a size that it's become massively disruptive to those living near it, well that speaks to commercialism. I'm sure it shouldn't have grown to the size it has.

 

[ska invita]

Two of the best cultural moments in this country are notting hill carnival and st Paul's carnival. ... Long may they continue despite the endless attempts to stamp them out.

Personally I wish there were more public outdoor music events. We live in a massively sanatised, quiet, go to work and go back home and shut your door and watch TV society. I've taken to going on long walks after work and it's amazing how empty streets are considering how many people live in London.

Life includes occasional making of sound. Music is life. Cities are for living.
Etc. One long weekend of well managed music, finishing before pubs even close shouldn't even register as a problem... We are lucky as a society to have such things, many places don't.

 

[nagapie]

Two of the best cultural moments in this country are notting hill carnival and st Paul's carnival. ... Long may they continue despite the endless attempts to stamp them out.

Personally I wish there were more public outdoor music events. We live in a massively sanatised, quiet, go to work and go back home and shut your door and watch TV society. I've taken to going on long walks after work and it's amazing how empty streets are considering how many people live in London.

Life includes occasional making of sound. Music is life. Cities are for living.
Etc. One long weekend of well managed music, finishing before pubs even close shouldn't even register as a problem... We are lucky as a society to have such things, many places don't.

I did not register a huge objection, felt it could be tweaked for residents living right on the periphery.

Of course the events you name have huge cultural relevance for communities and are free so not imo comparable to a 4 day expensive festival in a local park.

 

[felonius monk]

I didn't really hear it in central Brixton but that's because the wind would have taken noise west of the park (ie Cressingham). Economically 3-4 days makes sense for a festival due to the fixed costs involved in set-up (fencing, toilets, tents etc). I'm fine with it if it's in the calendar with fair warning, it's the "spontaneous" sound systems that set up without warning or permission that I object to, knowing that the council & police will pass the buck.

 

[edcraw]

I've never been to Glastonbury but I assume that as it's on a farm, people don't live right on it.
As to whether it's been allowed to grow to such a size that it's become massively disruptive to those living near it, well that speaks to commercialism. I'm sure it shouldn't have grown to the size it has.

It’s on a farm next to a village. If we can’t have these sort of events what happens to artists?

 

[nagapie]

It’s on a farm next to a village. If we can’t have these sort of events what happens to artists?

You are deliberately putting words into my mouth that I haven't said to misrepresent me.
I suggested that the festival be tweaked to be more sensitive to the communities on its doorstep.
And I said that the size of Glastonbury should have probably been controlled rather than let expand to its current size which is about profit.
Nowhere have I said these should be no festivals.
With care both can exist.

 

[edcraw]

You are deliberately putting words into my mouth that I haven't said to misrepresent me.
I suggested that the festival be tweaked to be more sensitive to the communities on its doorstep.
And I said that the size of Glastonbury should have probably been controlled rather than let expand to its current size which is about profit.
Nowhere have I said these should be no festivals.
With care both can exist.

Okay - I’d argue the Brockwell park ones are done with care.

 

[nagapie]

Okay - I’d argue the Brockwell park ones are done with care.

I suggested two slight changes. My concern was borne out of speaking to residents of Cressingham who have been very easy going about the whole thing.
But there are old, sick, shift workers, carers etc who live there for whom I don't like to think of as struggling through the weekend.

So next time read my posts properly, reply to my actual responses instead of making up what I'm saying and don't bother to try and use your arguments with me to defend Lambeth council.
I'm not sure what your hard on for them is about but how about you come back and tell me I should trust their intentions when they haven't had a failing children's services for multiple years.

 

[edcraw]

I suggested two slight changes. My concern was borne out of speaking to residents of Cressingham who have been very easy going about the whole thing.
But there are old, sick, shift workers, carers etc who live there for whom I don't like to think of as struggling through the weekend.

So next time read my posts properly, reply to my actual responses instead of making up what I'm saying and don't bother to try and use your arguments with me to defend Lambeth council.
I'm not sure what your hard on for them is about but how about you come back and tell me I should trust their intentions when they haven't had a failing children's services for multiple years.

What does that have to do with this thread? Defending the council on one thing doesn’t mean you support them on everything and ridiculous to claim.

 

[nagapie]

What does that have to do with this thread? Defending the council on one thing doesn’t mean you support them on everything and ridiculous to claim.

You're the one who wanted to jump in on what was clearly not serious.
Sadly the joke is not far off from the real shenanigans the council have been involved with to eradicate that community.
So step in any time to defend them, joke or not, they're beyond the pale.

 

[cuppa tee]

What does that have to do with this thread? Defending the council on one thing doesn’t mean you support them on everything and ridiculous to claim.

think youre being a bit of a tosser here.....
long term resident and poster has suffered under lambeth for a long time
they know people on cressingham who the festival doesnt work for
sounds like theyre not nimbys who can pile into the e.v and shuffle off the coast or the new forest and escape 4 days of unwelcome noise
they arent benefitting from the event....but you are policing their opinions.
maybe the conspiracy theory of noise warfare against locals is a bit extreme
but attitudes like yours amplify the sentiment.

btw locals call it pilton pop festival not glastonbury

 

[edcraw]

think youre being a bit of a tosser here.....
long term resident and poster has suffered under lambeth for a long time
they know people on cressingham who the festival doesnt work for
sounds like theyre not nimbys who can pile into the e.v and shuffle off the coast or the new forest and escape 4 days of unwelcome noise
they arent benefitting from the event....but you are policing their opinions.
maybe the conspiracy theory of noise warfare against locals is a bit extreme
but attitudes like yours amplify the sentiment.

btw locals call it pilton pop festival not glastonbury

Fair enough - poster didn’t mention any of that & yes, lots of local objections to Glastonbury, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.

 

[nagapie]

Fair enough - poster didn’t mention any of that & yes, lots of local objections to Glastonbury, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.

Actually I said everything they just mentioned that was relevant, you just chose to ignore these things.
My personal and professional relationship for the past 20 years with Lambeth is not relevant so I didn't include it but if you think that gives me some sort of rights I didn't have before, then yes I have both of those. And quite frankly it's terrifying to be involved with Lambeth on these levels.
My noise torture joke was a flippancy but it's interesting that people think it was actually a real comment. This is due to how close it flies to the real truth of how Lambeth treats it residents.