Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Me too, and he's a very, very nice man.IntoStella said:I think I know.
Michael Howard and Brixton
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Gramsci
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The thing is Hatboy their is a big difference between an organisation like APT and the BAF.APT is purely voluntary run.The BAF is set up and funded(well I know the funding has been cut) by the Council.
To take personalites out of it the problem with the BAF is that the Council(then New Labour) set it up giving the impression it was "our forum" as I remember the then leader Dickson saying.
In fact its an unhappy amalgamation of management(Town Centre Mge) and doing things from the "bottom up".I agree with you that some of the people in it are OK.Also as the Council "consult" through it its necessary to attend meetings when something big comes up like this new plan for Brixton.
APT like any community group run on a showstring is easy to criticise.I know in my Coop Im accused of being part of a "Central Committee"-and this gossip gets around.The best thing to do with people who make complaints is to elect them to a post.And then sit back and watch them to bugger all.
To take personalites out of it the problem with the BAF is that the Council(then New Labour) set it up giving the impression it was "our forum" as I remember the then leader Dickson saying.
In fact its an unhappy amalgamation of management(Town Centre Mge) and doing things from the "bottom up".I agree with you that some of the people in it are OK.Also as the Council "consult" through it its necessary to attend meetings when something big comes up like this new plan for Brixton.
APT like any community group run on a showstring is easy to criticise.I know in my Coop Im accused of being part of a "Central Committee"-and this gossip gets around.The best thing to do with people who make complaints is to elect them to a post.And then sit back and watch them to bugger all.
Gramsci
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Justin said:
I agree with you that the debate on immigration is fundamentally dishonest as its really about race.But the thing is a lot of people agree with Howard,Blunkett etc on this.Making a stand on it would lose votes.The Howards and Blunketts of this world would argue if they went "soft" on immigration the far right would gain.I think they are making it worse by pandering to it.Race/Immigration is one of those issues IMO were you have to take a stand-whether that loses you votes or not.
Going back to the programme I thought Howard could have been pulled up on his assertion that people want "bobbies on the beat" regardless of how much crime their is in the area.My view is that the police are a necessary evil at best.If they keep a low profile I prefer that.
The trouble with these Question time type programmes is that they work within a framework of what Ordinary Decent People(ODCs)
or "Hard Working Families" -one of New Labours favourites- think
Gramsci
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Another thing that infuriated me was Howard assertion he didnt care whether policies were left,right or centre as long as they "worked" for the British people.This is straight out of New Labours books.
I cant stand it.It means you cant argue with them.If you do your being "ideological".
I cant stand it.It means you cant argue with them.If you do your being "ideological".
Gramsci
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Apart from seeing Justin on TV 
Im glad I watched the programme.Whilst watching it I was reminded of an article I read by the American Sociologist Richard Sennet on "Soft Fascism".(And the recent doc series on TV "The Power of Nightmares").As Justin says on his blog irrationality is presented as rational in present day politics(on race).Society is controlled through tapping into peoples primal fears-Race,Difference,"Crime"--
See here
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1332840,00.html
Hes talking about the States but its the same here.Part of the reason I avoid these programmes is that Id rather not think a lot of people are like this.Though it makes me realise that dispite all the arguments that go on in Brixton Im glad Im here(well until the Council kick us all out).
Im glad I watched the programme.Whilst watching it I was reminded of an article I read by the American Sociologist Richard Sennet on "Soft Fascism".(And the recent doc series on TV "The Power of Nightmares").As Justin says on his blog irrationality is presented as rational in present day politics(on race).Society is controlled through tapping into peoples primal fears-Race,Difference,"Crime"--See here
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,12084,1332840,00.html
Hes talking about the States but its the same here.Part of the reason I avoid these programmes is that Id rather not think a lot of people are like this.Though it makes me realise that dispite all the arguments that go on in Brixton Im glad Im here(well until the Council kick us all out).
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Then there was the way he started out talking about the rail crash, which nobody asked him to and which was honestly a bit baffling. He then proceeded to avoid questions, to claim nobody had contradcited him when everybody had contradicted him and generally do all sorts of Jim-Hacker type things. It was extraordinarily unimpressive. I mean obviously "good" as far as I'm concerned, the Tories are led by a clod, so rejoice. But on the other hand, what a pitiful sight.Gramsci said:
Which means that ideologically they are one and the same with the Daily Mail. Oh but hey, Dacre isn't an ideologue, is he? He is just expressing the "common sense" view of the man on the number 37 (Clapham omnibus).Gramsci said:The trouble with these Question time type programmes is that they work within a framework of what Ordinary Decent People(ODCs)
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Didn't Gramsci write that "common sense is the day to day ideology of the bourgeoisie"?IntoStella said:
Actually, one good thing about getting up to be on the programme. When I arrived on Brixton Hill to get the bus to Waterloo, the London to Brighton Vintage Car Rally was going past. What an incredible sight.
Yes but don't remind our Gramsci or he'll go all postmodern on us again.Justin said:
AK and I saw quite a few vintage cars pootling around Regents Park on Saturday, warming up for the race and generally showing off.
Perhaps he has concluded that if being an incoherent, blithering idiot worked so well for Bush, it might do the same for him.Justin said:
IntoStella said:
A cunning tactic. Unfortunately though, Bush benefits from 51% of his electorate being incoherent, blithering idiots too. I'm not sure Mr Howard can claim the same advantage.
By the way, I have had a PM from someone called Pickman's Model, who is running a 'Tory poster of the year competition'. Distressingly, he has taken it upon himself to nominate me. Even more distressingly, I note I have no votes! You're going to have to me my campaign manager IS!
Mr BC said:A cunning tactic. Unfortunately though, Bush benefits from 51% of his electorate being incoherent, blithering idiots too. I'm not sure Mr Howard can claim the same advantage.
By the way, I have had a PM from someone called Pickman's Model, who is running a 'Tory poster of the year competition'. Distressingly, he has taken it upon himself to nominate me. Even more distressingly, I note I have no votes! You're going to have to me my campaign manager IS!
You've got my vote!
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
...and mine...
..I note that our other Tory poster, cllr, doesn't even rate a mention
..I note that our other Tory poster, cllr, doesn't even rate a mention
With pleasure.Mr BC said:You're going to have to me my campaign manager IS!
I can claim no part in that, I must admit. I haven't even found the thread yet -- where is it?Bob said:Clearly working - in the last half hour Mr BC has gone from 0% to over 10%, on current trends will be the leading candidate by midday.
IntoStella said:I can claim no part in that, I must admit. I haven't even found the thread yet -- where is it?
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=94136
IntoStella said:I can claim no part in that, I must admit. I haven't even found the thread yet -- where is it?
It's in that UK politics forum that always seem to involve rows about the SWP.
Am deeply touched by your support.
I suppose that only an in election where ALL the candidates are tories can I ever rely on votes from Brixton forum members.Mr BC said:It's in that UK politics forum that always seem to involve rows about the SWP.
Am deeply touched by your support.
The outrage is that Stobart isn't a Tory and is leading at present!
You haven't seen my speech yet.Mr BC said:Am deeply touched by your support.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
change 'I' to 'my party' and 'Brixton Forum Members' to 'everyone in the UK under 60' and you'd be nearer the mark!Mr BC said:Am deeply touched by your support.
Are you saying you're NOT a Tory?cllr said:
There's no shame in it!
I'm sure MrBC could help you out of the closet. PS Have you voted for him yet? We only need 5 votes!
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Before the programme I was vaguely worried that we might get asked whether or not Michael Howard's leadership would make us more likely to vote Tory. I had prepared an answer on the lines of preferring to have my hand cut off than vote for any of them.
Ah, but this is a contest in which all the candidates are tories (except stobart, who only reads the Daily Mail so we don't have toJustin said:
). Think of it as being a bit like cockroach racing. BC is the bug for Brixton.
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