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Mercury amalgam fillings - a poisoning of generations

tarannau said:
Eh? I didn't even mention anything to do with your mental health. You specifically mentioned that I may have been wrongly diagnosed (ie CFS rather than depression) which I thought was a little presumptuous and out of order if I'm honest.

I did mention the phrase mental health in the last paragraph but only in relation to the subject of amalgam fillings - mercury's known for its degrading effects on the mind (eg Luton's hatters made 'mad' by the high mercury levels produced by the industry). Christ knows why you seem to think it was a personal jibe

I didn't think it was a personal jibe, I just couldn't see its relevance to what we were talking about at the time. I apologise if you thought my comment was out of order but you seemed to be suggesting that CFS gets better just by your lifestyle getting 'batter'.
 
madzone said:
He's not just any old specialist though. He's national clinical lead for CFS/ME at the Department of Health so I guess it's in his intrerest to get to the bottom of things in a scientific manner.


But you're guessing. he could just want you to get out of his office and out of his hair.

:D

I don't think I ever got close to alleging that CFS could be sorted out by simple lifestyle changes. I think you may be putting words in my mouth there.
 
tarannau said:
But you're guessing. he could just want you to get out of his office and out of his hair.

:D
He only sees me once a year now - can't say I'm much of a problem to him. He's always been very complimentary about how proactive I am around my health and don't just sit back and expect them to come up with all the answers.

Anyway - there's no such thing as M.E ;)
 
tarannau said:
The only thing to bear in mind is that many of those who have had amalgam fillings removed don't miraculously recover. In fact my experience is that those who have their fillings removed move onto their next health scare - mobile phone radiation, water purity, wifi pollution etc.

Do you actually know anyone who has had their fillings changed? Please give us the details.

You see, in my experience, amalgam removal is very likely accompanied by health improvements, perhaps huge ones. I have previously outlined my own experience, where the benefit was immediate on the last one being removed and it was the turning point with my CFS.

I had a close friend whose chronic depression pretty much vanished when his were changed. He used to call me twice a week to say how awful he felt - after removal I only got that call once or twice.

My mother has had most of hers out, though not all, and reports healthier gums, no longer has migraines or needs to nap in the afternoon (she thought she was just 'getting old').

An old housemate was worried about his hair falling out (a classic symptom). After he had five amalgams replaced it stopped falling out. I remarked that the treatment was a success. But he said "but you know what jazzz, it's because I'm less anxious!" (well, duh, anxiety is another classic mercury poisoning symptom) :rolleyes: :D

Who else? Well my dad seemed to be dying, weight down to seven stone and a complete nervous wreck - I kept on at him about the mercury issue. He found that there was a thermometer in his bedroom which had got broken when he moved house a few months earlier. He got rid of it and recovered straight away, although I still have yet persuaded him to have his fillings changed.
 
tarannau said:
Same applies to amalgam fillings in some way. It strikes me that if they really were that devastating to mental health and wellbeing, somebody could have planned an experiment that would be statistically significant.

More to the point, before recklessly putting poisonous metal in people's mouths, someone should have planned a proper study to demonstrate that they were safe. This was never done. There is no good evidence of safety.

Our health is too important to put blind faith in a frankly corrupt system.
 
tufty79 said:
That's not the same as saying "Our family dentist refuses to use mercury fillings anymore because he's conducted thorough research, read all the reputable scientific papers and come to a rational decision", though, is it?

e2a: Fogbat posting:rolleyes:

He told us that he felt under pressure from patients to do it.It seems a lot of people do have concerns about them.Actually he's a bit of a weirdo.We were talking about fluoride and how we live in the most flouridated water area in the country yet have the worst dental decay etc.He proceeded to inform us that Hitler's party were the first group to mass medicate with it and how it makes rats much more compliant than those without it.It's food for thought I guess.
 
Jazzz said:
This was never done. There is no good evidence of safety.

Our health is too important to put blind faith in a frankly corrupt system.

Erm, millions of people walking around with amalgam fillings for many years, the vast, vast majority of which don't show any obvious symptoms of mental degradation, illness or a wish to have their existing fillings removed. How much more of a significant sample group and evidence do you need?

frankly, your last comment is alarmist conspiratorial guff as well. You remember that you were willing to put your faith in 'extra pure' water based on little more than a website full of charlatan science and utter nonsense. What does that tell you about your sense of perspective? Were the fillings affecting your judgement?
 
Pah, anecdotes smanecodotes. They are worthless. They might be true but as a way of determining whether amalgams are the source of the problems they are worse than having no information.
 
tarannau said:
Erm, millions of people walking around with amalgam fillings for many years, the vast, vast majority of which don't show any obvious symptoms of mental degradation, illness or a wish to have their existing fillings removed. How much more of a significant sample group and evidence do you need?
Are you having a laugh? The nation is a walking sicknote. Haven't we started prescribing anti-depressants to six-year-olds?

Of course no-one likes going to the dentist. But as we start fully realising that mercury does not become safe simply because someone in a white coat puts it in your mouth and says so, more and more are going to change their fillings and with it their health.

The problem with mercury fillings is that the health problems they cause are time delayed and non-specific.

frankly, your last comment is alarmist conspiratorial guff as well. You remember that you were willing to put your faith in 'extra pure' water based on little more than a website full of charlatan science and utter nonsense. What does that tell you about your sense of perspective? Were the fillings affecting your judgement?
When I saw the science on Pentawater I realised it was a sham; this is what you should do with amalgam fillings.
 
Jazzz said:
Do you actually know anyone who has had their fillings changed? Please give us the details.

from post #124 - I note you didn't answer this question tarannau. Were you fibbing?
 
Jazzz said:
Are you having a laugh? The nation is a walking sicknote. Haven't we started prescribing anti-depressants to six-year-olds?
Who have mercury fillings no doubt.
Jazzz said:
Of course no-one likes going to the dentist. But as we start fully realising that mercury does not become safe simply because someone in a white coat puts it in your mouth and says so, more and more are going to change their fillings and with it their health.

The problem with mercury fillings is that the health problems they cause are time delayed and non-specific.
And as of yet, unproven by science.

Jazzz said:
When I saw the science on Pentawater I realised it was a sham; this is what you should do with amalgam fillings.
Holy shit! Since when!?!?
 
Jazzz said:
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When I saw the science on Pentawater I realised it was a sham; this is what you should do with amalgam fillings.
Why didn't you "check the science" first before extolling its non-existent vritues?

Oh, I forgot, it's because this is your approach to science:

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editor you are trolling. You have no idea about this issue nor any wish to make proper discussion. Fuck off!
 
I used to be a chronic hayfever sufferer until i had my amalgam fillings removed. Chronic meaning I used to sneeze every 5 minutes and my eyes used to stream and itch. I was shattered at the end of every day becasue of the effort exerted by the sneezing.

The year I had my fillings removed that that stopped completely. They need to be removed by someone who know what they're doing, otherwise you will simply ingest loads of mercury as they are being drilled out.
 
Jazzz said:
Indeed, as the first video points out the claims of safety are anecdotal, and based on little more than tarannau's argument that they are safe because we all have them.

So perhaps you would like to see some evidence of those who have had amalgams removed

Do you really consider this credible evidence then Jazzz. From what I can tell it's a self-selecting sample of patients with doctors who may or may not have an incentive to fit white fillings. No control group that I can see, nor a methodology that would stand up to peer reviewed scrutiny or accepted decent research practice.

Let's put it this way, if the medical establishment published this 'evidence' would you be so keen to link to it as the winning case for the status quo?
 
I heard about a guy who didn't have any legs, but when they took out his mercury fillings his legs grew back. And he could fly and had super powers. :D
 
tarannau said:
Do you really consider this credible evidence then Jazzz. From what I can tell it's a self-selecting sample of patients with doctors who may or may not have an incentive to fit white fillings. No control group that I can see, nor a methodology that would stand up to peer reviewed scrutiny or accepted decent research practice.

Let's put it this way, if the medical establishment published this 'evidence' would you be so keen to link to it as the winning case for the status quo?
But the medical establishment doesn't seem to have even published anything remotely of this quality to show that mercury fillings are safe. What's the best we have to go on? Is there a case to answer?

You didn't answer the question I repeated about the people you knew who had had amalgams removed. Were you flippantly inventing something?
 
Jazzz said:
Do you actually know anyone who has had their fillings changed? Please give us the details.

My (now EX) wife had them removed and the only difference it made to her life is much more sensitive teeth and therefore an inability to deal with cold food. She was unaware of any difference it would make having her fillings changed and therefore didn't expect any.. it seems it made no positive change in her life because she wasn't expecting one.

Other than making a dentist a heap of money I can't see the point of getting mine changed I see no point in doing it.
 
I would get mine changed because I have been ill a long time now, but I'm worried I might not still be me after. :confused: :(
 
NoEgo said:
I used to be a chronic hayfever sufferer until i had my amalgam fillings removed. Chronic meaning I used to sneeze every 5 minutes and my eyes used to stream and itch. I was shattered at the end of every day becasue of the effort exerted by the sneezing.

The year I had my fillings removed that that stopped completely. They need to be removed by someone who know what they're doing, otherwise you will simply ingest loads of mercury as they are being drilled out.
Glad to hear of this NoEgo. :)

I hope madzone will allow me to remind the forum of a diagnosis I made a while back about her underarm problem. Knowing that she was a CFS sufferer with amalgams, I suggested the underlying reason was candida feeding off mercury intoxication. Seems I was right, as madzone was posting "How can the placebo effect change your sweat?" even before they were all out! And I trust she is smelling sweeter than ever these days :)
 
Peige said:
My (now EX) wife had them removed and the only difference it made to her life is much more sensitive teeth and therefore an inability to deal with cold food. She was unaware of any difference it would make having her fillings changed and therefore didn't expect any.. it seems it made no positive change in her life because she wasn't expecting one.

Or more likely, she was able to bear the burden that far without too many ill effects. When the dangers of smoking were debated years you'd regularly hear "my grandad smoked 40 a day until he was seventy-six, it didn't do him any harm".

And by the sounds of it, they were replaced very sloppily.
 
Jazzz said:
The problem with mercury fillings is that the health problems they cause are time delayed and non-specific.

So, there are serious health problems, but a) we don't know when they're going to show up or b) what they are if/when they do show up. Hmmmm....
 
Jazzz said:
Glad to hear of this NoEgo. :)

I hope madzone will allow me to remind the forum of a diagnosis I made a while back about her underarm problem. Knowing that she was a CFS sufferer with amalgams, I suggested the underlying reason was candida feeding off mercury intoxication. Seems I was right, as madzone was posting "How can the placebo effect change your sweat?" even before they were all out! And I trust she is smelling sweeter than ever these days :)
Hmmm - can't say I'm happy being used as an example for one side of the argument.

Re - the candida - my sweat has definitely chnged but I still suffer from candida related problems so the mercury removal hasn't addressed that really.

The main thing that has changed is the brain fog and the pain. I also sleep better than I did before.

My personal opinion is that having the mercury fillings removed addressed a significant proportion of my health problems but it certainly wans't a cure-all, I still have a way to go.

And I won't have any put in my children's teeth.
 
Peige said:
My (now EX) wife had them removed and the only difference it made to her life is much more sensitive teeth and therefore an inability to deal with cold food. She was unaware of any difference it would make having her fillings changed and therefore didn't expect any.. it seems it made no positive change in her life because she wasn't expecting one.

Other than making a dentist a heap of money I can't see the point of getting mine changed I see no point in doing it.

I wasn't expecting any change in symptoms as everything else I'd tried hadn't improved a thing. It was for the sake of my own mental health that I ddin't attach any hope to the process. I decided that for cosmetic reasons it would be a beneficial thing to do.

Interestingly my teeth are also more sensitive than they were before.
 
madzone said:
Hmmm - can't say I'm happy being used as an example for one side of the argument.
oh I'm sorry. The thing was that I predicted this rather extraordinary side benefit before it happened and the record is there. I hope we can beat the rest of your candida. I'm sure it can be done.

My teeth became less sensitive after removal - I used to have teriffic pain with ice-cream
 
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