Matthew Goodwin.....

[Smokeandsteam]

I’d have to know concretely what you mean by “a fight over the narrowest, most repressive forms of disparity correction” to tell you whether or not I think it’s a dead end. Do you mean for example, affirmative action?

No. I’m mean this “although it often comes with a garnish of disparaging but empty references to neoliberalism as a generic sign of bad things... it’s a politics [that] is in fact the left wing of neoliberalism in that its sole metric of social justice is opposition to disparity in the distribution of goods and bads in the society, an ideal that naturalizes the outcomes of capitalist market forces so long as they are equitable along racial (and other identitarian) lines”

 

[cantsin]

You might want to make clear you were referring to Goodwin’s tweet and not the Burnley ‘lads’ banner pal.

seemed v clear - and no need to start giving it the ' pal ' routine to a poster that's been on here forever, surely ?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

seemed v clear - and no need to start giving it the ' pal ' routine to a poster that's been on here forever, surely ?

I meant ‘pal’ as in mate, rather than in a challenging way, precisely because of who the poster was.

 

[cantsin]

I meant ‘pal’ as in mate, rather than in a challenging way, precisely because of who the poster was.

fairs

 

[Serge Forward]

In that sense you could argue that it was the right that invented identity politics.

The right did invent identity politics.

 

[Shechemite]

The right did invent identity politics.

All the more reason not to play that game then

 

[treelover]

I think that some of the posters on here could unravel idpol as distinct from anti-racism, a/f, etc, etc, and would be doing a great service, stopping wider conflict, problem is in the current climate it would be a major thing to take on publically.

 

[CNT36]

Speaking of Twitter, I first came into contact with Zoe via twitter. She posted as AutismMH. No one in the NHS will protest over her death.

zoe zaremba - Google Search

Goodwin is closer to being correct in his understanding of Idpol - and the anger it creates - than many on here are

Ya search there has nothing about why they should in the first 5 links I tried.

 

[Shechemite]

Ya

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I think that some of the posters on here could unravel idpol as distinct from anti-racism, a/f, etc, etc, and would be doing a great service, stopping wider conflict, problem is in the current climate it would be a major thing to take on publically.

For those interested this piece by Cedric Johnson is bang on. Some important points here that precisely unravel anti-racism from identity politics but also highlight the intersection between the former with ‘woke neo-liberalism’ :

Don’t Let Blackwashing Save the Investor Class

Corporations have embraced antiracist rhetoric, but they will not eradicate the economic insecurity and inequality the investor class requires — and wants the police to uphold.

jacobinmag.com

 

[killer b]

For those interested this piece by Cedric Johnson is bang on. Some important points here that precisely unravel anti-racism from identity politics but also highlight the intersection between the former with ‘woke neo-liberalism’ :

Don’t Let Blackwashing Save the Investor Class

Corporations have embraced antiracist rhetoric, but they will not eradicate the economic insecurity and inequality the investor class requires — and wants the police to uphold.

jacobinmag.com

this is great!

 

[treelover]

Yes, it is, never ever heard of the walkouts for example, deserves a discussion of its own.

 

[killer b]

Yes, it is, never ever heard of the walkouts for example, deserves a discussion of its own.

they were pretty big news at the time - sure there'll be some discussion of them in the various US politics / covid threads

 

[Jeff Robinson]

.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

. (just noticed it's an old post being re-shared).

 

[Shechemite]

Ya search there has nothing about why they should in the first 5 links I tried.

 

[brogdale]

Up to his usual cherry-picked shit-stirring:



Actual YG numbers.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Up to his usual cherry-picked shit-stirring:

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Actual YG numbers.

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People need to take this guy's data analysis with a pinch of salt. It's beyond obvious now that he's not somebody who merely analyses rightwing populism, but is a partisan cheerleader for it.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

People need to take this guy's data analysis with a pinch of salt. It's beyond obvious now that he's not somebody who merely analyses rightwing populism, but is a partisan cheerleader for it.

The data is from Yougov Jeff. Are you saying it’s wrong?

His point was that Twitter politics and real world politics aren’t the same. Not sure what’s so controversial about that?

 

[brogdale]

The data is from Yougov Jeff. Are you saying it’s wrong?

His point was that Twitter politics and real world politics aren’t the same. Not sure what’s so controversial about that?

His point tweet was that Twitter politics and real world politics aren’t the same.

 

[CNT36]

Up to his usual cherry-picked shit-stirring:

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The question was about support for removal of ALL statues. I'm not sure I'd support taking them all down but Colston and many others? Yes. Others for reasons other than the slave trade? Yep. The question removed any nuance at all to anyone's position and that was not reflected in Goodwin's tweet.

 

[brogdale]

Boom!

Rah for the champions of free-speech!

 

[Artaxerxes]

Boom!

Rah for the champions of free-speech!

Think we're going to need a cancel culture free speech thread at this point. Government are determined to get this culture war going.

 

[The39thStep]

Goodwin's trajectory from advising Labour Councils to advising/lobbying Tory governments

Professor Matthew Goodwin | Legatum Institute

Matthew J. Goodwin is Director of the Legatum Institute’s Centre for UK Prosperity. He is also Professor of Political Science at the University of Kent, Associate Fellow at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, Chatham House, and was formerly a […]

li.com

 

[brogdale]

Reckon the slimy little cunt is after Allegro's job.

 

[chilango]

He's been publically challenged to a duel Zoom debate on Twitter.

 

[The39thStep]

He's been publically challenged to a duel Zoom debate on Twitter.

By whom?

 

[chilango]

By whom?

Some bloke I've never heard of...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Some bloke I've never heard of...

UCU Commons candidate for NEC.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Well, that looks like a potentially riveting duel/debate....academics talking to themselves, about themselves.