Mark Duggan shooting inquest in London finally starts...

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Lads lads lads - are you through with all the ammo porn yet? Is nobody else listening open-mouthed at the ASTONISHING PR coup of creating a Posh-o Tory news story spin to distract the masses from all this? I mean... 'But how can we possibly trust the police now?' (then stern radio 4 voice intones) 'A Tory politician has lost his career.. a policeman his job.' Then the pretty posh blonde daughter sobs - quite literally, Mr Plebgate's daughter said just now: 'All of a sudden, we realised something was very, very wrong - that we could no longer trust the police. It was simply devastating for our family, I don't think we'll recover...'

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK - It seems they are going to punish a polis for fibbing a bit about a shouty sweary posh-o (who freely admits to 'fucking' but not 'plebs').
Yet the LYING BASTARDS who colluded in the murder of a man they had every chance to arrest and bring to trial - and who they clearly set up, given the fact that they surveilled him collecting a gun but didn't apprehend him nor the supplier at that point... ACH!! words fail me. It's all just as cynical as I suspected. It's truly despair-making. Would be ironic or summat if it weren't so just awful. Sad slump...

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As many times as I hear a conspiracy to execute Duggan a voice says, "No, must have been an cock up and cover up."

Then another voice says, "Wake up you silly cunt, Hillsborough."

And I realise all my ACAB has not nearly been even fucking close to how fucked these wankers we appoint and pay to look after us are.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Arresting him then and there would have meant charging him with something far more serious than anything he had ever been convicted for previously.

Needs repeating.

I've been nicked far many times than this 'gangstar'. Most of my mates have. None of us could remotely be classed as gangsters.

 

[BlackArab]

Just read a comment elsewhere that chilled me to the bone. If they can stitch up and conspire to lie about a white, middle class, middle-aged Tory MP like Andrew Mitchell what fucking chance do I and other black men have?

 

[brogdale]

100%

As many times as I hear a conspiracy to execute Duggan a voice says, "No, must have been an cock up and cover up."

Then another voice says, "Wake up you silly, cunt, Hillsborough."

And I realise all my ACAB has not nearly been even fucking close to how fucked these wankers we appoint and pay to look after us are.

We don't appoint them, they do.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just read a comment elsewhere that chilled me to the bone. If they can stitch up and conspire to lie about a white, middle class, middle-aged Tory MP like Andrew Mitchell what fucking chance do I and other black men have?

They're out of control.

And have been for years.

Blair Peach was battered to death less that 1/2 a mile from me when I was five.

When I was thirtynine the Met finally admitted one of their officers murdered him, but dismissed any investigation as it was all too long ago.

Yvonne Fletcher's killer is still being actively hunted. In spite of the time-frames being similar and the target not being a former civil servant of the UK whose name and address we know

 

[andysays]

They're out of control.

And have been for years.

Blair Peach was battered to death less that 1/2 a mile from me when I was five.

When I was thirtynine the Met finally admitted one of their officers murdered him, but dismissed any investigation as it was all too long ago.

Yvonne Fletcher's killer is still being actively hunted. In spite of the time-frames being similar and the target not being a former civil servant of the UK whose name and address we know

Have I misunderstood this, or are you suggesting the the Met have specifically admitted that Blair Peach was murdered, and that they know the name etc of the person responsible?

I remember posting on the Guardian when the Ian Tomlinson case was going on about that case, saying that he can been murdered by a member of the SPG and my comments were removed for being defamatory

I thought at the time that I was chancing my arm, at least in legal terms, but maybe I was on safer ground than I knew...

 

[Treacle Toes]

Just read a comment elsewhere that chilled me to the bone. If they can stitch up and conspire to lie about a white, middle class, middle-aged Tory MP like Andrew Mitchell what fucking chance do I and other black men have?

One example of a realisation that most Black men in this country and beyond experience at one point or another imo, triggered by cases like this or by their own individual experiences.

 

[BlackArab]

They're out of control.

And have been for years.

Blair Peach was battered to death less that 1/2 a mile from me when I was five.

When I was thirtynine the Met finally admitted one of their officers murdered him, but dismissed any investigation as it was all too long ago.

Yvonne Fletcher's killer is still being actively hunted. In spite of the time-frames being similar and the target not being a former civil servant of the UK whose name and address we know

I've been waiting 30 years for them to admit murdering Colin Roach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Colin_Roach (edited to add missing word, apols my typing goes to pot when I get angry)

 

[BlackArab]

One example of a realisation that most Black men in this country and beyond experience at one point or another imo, triggered by cases like this or by their own individual experiences.

and they wonder why black men will try and run sometimes when stopped even if they are guilty of no crime, it's the potential crime that could be committed against us we're worried about.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

and they wonder why black men will try and run sometimes when stopped even if they are guilty of no crime, it's the potential crime that could be committed against us we're worried about.

The only eye witness we have says that Mark looked 'baffled'. That sticks with me.

 

[Treacle Toes]

and they wonder why black men will try and run sometimes when stopped even if they are guilty of no crime, it's the potential crime that could be committed against us we're worried about.

I once had a policeman ask me this as I berated him for yet again harrassing the young guys who lived around my estate in Haggerston.... His exact words were '...if they've done nothing wrong, why are they running...?' I asked 'If they've done nothing wrong why are you chasing them..?' His response was 'Erm...' I then said 'exactly, because you can, it's your favorite sport and they don't want to play your games..' I didn't wait around for his response.

 

[BlackArab]

The only eye witness we have says that Mark looked 'baffled'. That sticks with me.

I've been fortunate not to be stopped too often in my life but on the two occasions I've been stopped at night with no witnesses present, the sheer terror in my eyes has meant they have had to calm me down before I could be questioned and this is in Bristol. The stories I used to read in the Voice about black men and the Met was one of the things that put me off moving to London when I was older.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I've been fortunate not to be stopped too often in my life but on the two occasions I've been stopped at night with no witnesses present, the sheer terror in my eyes has meant they have had to calm me down before I could be questioned and this is in Bristol. The stories I used to read in the Voice about black men and the Met was one of the things that put me off moving to London when I was older.

Such an important point. The psychological damage that can be and is done even to those like yourself who by your own admission haven't been stopped that much yourself. Darcus Howe nailed it when in an interview during the riots of 2011 said that his grandson and peers were internalising being stopped and searched/harrassed by police in London as a 'rite of passage'...a truly sickening and saddening reality.

 

[BlackArab]

I once had a policeman ask me this as I berated him for yet again harrassing the young guys who lived around my estate in Haggerston.... His exact words were '...if they've done nothing wrong, why are they running...?' I asked 'If they've done nothing wrong why are you chasing them..?' His response was 'Erm...' I then said 'exactly, because you can, it's your favorite sport and they don't want to play your games..' I didn't wait around for his response.

Lucky you were a female, when I was younger I wouldn't have dared berating a policeman.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Lucky you were a female, when I was younger I wouldn't have dared berating a policeman.

I used to do it a lot actually. I lived on the ground floor and I was often outside during the day/evening or woken up at night by the police screeching into the estate or simply pulling lads over outside my bedroom window. I know being female was a factor, my age too. But I couldn't ignore it, many of the lads around there I had known or seen since they were small kids. A lot of times I would simply watch and refuse to move on/close the window or other times have a go at the police if they were getting rough/physical because they thought no one was watching.

 

[BlackArab]

Such an important point. The psychological damage than can be and is done even to those like yourself who by your own admission haven't been stopped that much yourself. Darcus Howe nailed it when in an interview during the riots of 2011 said that his grandson and peers were internalising being stopped and search/harrassed by police in London as a 'rite of passage'...a truly sickening and saddening reality.

A mate of mine used to keep all his documents in his car as he was stopped so often it saved him the hassle of getting a producer and having to go down the nick. Another one who was arrested for breaking into his own house despite having a key and offering to take them inside and show them his photos on the mantelpiece to prove he lived there. His dad made a complaint and he actually received a letter of apology. He took to carrying the letter in his wallet to show the police every time he got stopped after that. White lads we went to college with were skeptical until he showed them the letter and then they said he shouldn't stand for it, we were gobsmacked that they were so naive.

 

[BlackArab]

I used to do it a lot actually. I lived on the ground floor and I was often outside during the day/evening or woken up at night by the police screeching into the estate or simply pulling lads over outside my bedroom window. I know being female was a factor, my age too. But I couldn't ignore it, many of the lads around there I had known or seen since they were small kids. A lot of times I would simply watch and refuse to move on/close the window or other times have a go at the police if they were getting rough/physical because they thought no one was watching.

It's sad but one of the few apps I have on my phone is one which gives you details of your legal rights in the event of stop and search. I found it via twitter @stopnsearchapp if anyone needs it. Covers street searches, vehicle stops and rights re taking photos.

 

[BlackArab]

Really wishing I hadn't mentioned producers as now I have the Smiley Culture song going through my head which isn't helping my current mood.

RIP Smiley.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Really wishing I hadn't mentioned producers as now I have the Smiley Culture song going through my head which isn't helping my current mood.

RIP Smiley.

Innit! Been happening to me since I was a kid playing that track...takes on new ugliness as an adult and knowing how he met his end.

 

[BlackArab]

Innit! Been happening to me since I was a kid playing that track...takes on new ugliness as an adult and knowing how he met his end.

It really has become unlistenable hasn't it. Used to love that song but don't think I could play it now without breaking down.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It really has become unlistenable hasn't it. Used to love that song but don't think I could play it now without breaking down.

Is it 'tragic irony'?...The playful boastfulness of that track, jokingly making a very serious point about what was the SUS...all of that turned into something much more sinister. Same as it ever was.

 

[BlackArab]

Just remembered being at sister's place for Christmas a few years ago and watching the dvd of Babylon that I had bought her. It got to the bit where Brinsley Forde's character is being chased by the police and my ten year old nephew pipes up and asks why he is running if he doesn't anything. I'll never forget the looks of shock and shaking of heads that passed between me, my sister and my brother-in-law as we silently agreed that he was too young, sweet and innocent to be told the truth.

 

[BlackArab]

Is it 'tragic irony'?...The playful boastfulness of that track, jokingly making a very serious point about what was the SUS...all of that turned into something much more sinister. Same as it ever was.

It's shocking now that this was such a normal occurrence someone could actually make a humorous song about it and that we would dance and sing along to it with smiles on our faces.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's shocking now that this was such a normal occurrence someone could actually make a humorous song about it and that we would dance and sing along to it with smiles on our faces.

Those smiles were never about happiness, in the real sense of the word. That for me has always been about recognition/validation IMO, warts and all. Humour is a common way to deal with such things.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Stab wound to the heart.

Perhaps he should have shown proper respect to our brave police officers ...

*puke*

 

[BlackArab]

I guess it's a survival instinct to use humour about situations like this. Racial prejudice has always been a fertile topic for some black and Jewish comedians.

(edited to add, great minds think alike!)

 

[frogwoman]

My mate is speaking tomorrow at the protest.RIP Mark

 

[Anonymous1]

Someone embedded a video the other day (apologies can't be arsed trawling pages on a hunt) Riot from Wrong.
Just had a look and i thought it was a good watch, it lays out the severe cuts to youth services, 8 of 13 local youth centres closed, cuts to ema and increasing tuition fees etc and of the disenchantment that bred. Quite different to the msm's "looting for trainers/tv's" and Camerons "feral youth" outcries. Nothing people here won't know about but it's well made and worth a peek.

 

[miktheword]

It's shocking now that this was such a normal occurrence someone could actually make a humorous song about it and that we would dance and sing along to it with smiles on our faces.

I remember playing the toon whilst handing back A level essays to white flight Essex sociology students studying race,police and crime, mid 90s.
doubt if many heard of his fate. although they were visibly shocked after watching trevor Phillips London programme on racism with hidden cameras .

nephew, professional footballer , stopped in all white Hampshire village within days of turning pro and getting a bmw, ob were fans of his non league club,,when realising, asked for photo; fast forward 6 years, few weeks back ,plays for London championship club, driving through west London, behind girlfriend s car, ob cut in, drive at 25mph, then stop him asking 'why u driving up our arse?'..checked license , admitted to being fans of his club...asked for and got photos .
i' vetold him bout his rights , will give him that app (remember him getting stopped leaving in same motor following being at celebrity juice few months back. Now , I need to make sure he knows of cockney translator / smiley. defoe got worse treatment recently . they call it profiling or something , I believe .

 

[BlackArab]

Someone embedded a video the other day (apologies can't be arsed trawling pages on a hunt) Riot from Wrong.
Just had a look and i thought it was a good watch, it lays out the severe cuts to youth services, 8 of 13 local youth centres closed, cuts to ema and increasing tuition fees etc and of the disenchantment that bred. Quite different to the msm's "looting for trainers/tv's" and Camerons "feral youth" outcries. Nothing people here won't know about but it's well made and worth a peek.

I work for a family & youth charity and am currently trying to keep the last youth centre in the area open. It was closed for most of the first six months of the year and I have seen the crime figures in this area rise and yet I am still trying to convince people of the benefits of keeping it open. The irony is every day I do my best to cut govt expenditure on prisons which is far more expensive than keeping kids off the streets.